UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION] [DONE]

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UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION] [DONE]

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 12 Sep 2013 04:43

Ladies and gentlemen,

Those who haven’t upgraded from the testing repositories, and depending on whether you’re a SolydX or SolydK user you will have between 200MB until 700MB of packages to download.

You might have a slow download if people upgrade at the same time. Try again at a later date or time.
Now that the main site, and forum are running on a separate server, they should be available at all time.

The NLUUG mirror has been synchronized, but unfortunately Internode hasn't.
I asked them to look into the matter, but for now, please use our own repositories, or the NLUUG mirror.


If you encounter any problems, post your findings in this topic.

I won’t be making new iso’s this time.

Below you see the information shown by the "Update Pack Info" button in the Update Manager after the repository synchronization.

Please carefully read the info page below.

[up-info=production][/up-info]


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Postby NGIB » 12 Sep 2013 10:12

Woke up early this morning and saw the update ready to install - so I did. (Yes I had read about the KDE issues but since I don't use KDE I went ahead) Big update, lots of files replaced, probably took 25 minutes to complete on a reasonably fast machine (Core I5, 4GB RAM, fast disk, fast internet). After the update completed, I rebooted (always do after big updates) and started the new 3.10 kernel. Booted up fine and everything seemed normal. Only problem I ran into was with Synaptic. It popped up an error message saying I needed to run:

"dpkg --configure -a"

So I opened a terminal and did that. Synaptic then started and ran fine.

My installed XFCE system is probably smaller than most as I uninstall programs I don't use such as Thunderbird, Pidgin, and the zeitgeist stuff. Only large program I install is calibre and it updated just fine. Only played in the system for 10 minutes or so as I had to head for work. First glance tells me the update worked just fine. With an update of this size, it's probably a good idea to release new installable ISOs as a 30 minute update of a freshly installed system is scary for new users...

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Postby NGIB » 12 Sep 2013 11:19

Also, just a comment regarding upgrades in general - lots of confusing stuff. The 6 page thread about testing the upgrade pack is very scary for a new user to read. Many folks just want to run a production system and can easily be overwhelmed by this stuff. Many folks are going to upgrade when the update manager prompts them to so this is a sure fire way to alienate new users. I'm sure many "customers" never come to the forums, they just install and run the system and only come here if something goes wrong. I'd guess we'll have a lot of folks join the forum today.

If my comments seem critical or negative they are not intended this way. I'm just providing the perspective of a normal user that wants a stable efficient system.

I wasn't overly worried as I have an installed & configured PCLOS system on a thumb drive in case I ran into problems...

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UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION]

Postby GeneC » 12 Sep 2013 12:05

NGIB wrote:Also, just a comment regarding upgrades in general - lots of confusing stuff. The 6 page thread about testing the upgrade pack is very scary for a new user to read. Many folks just want to run a production system and can easily be overwhelmed by this stuff. Many folks are going to upgrade when the update manager prompts them to so this is a sure fire way to alienate new users. I'm sure many "customers" never come to the forums, they just install and run the system and only come here if something goes wrong. I'd guess we'll have a lot of folks join the forum today.

If my comments seem critical or negative they are not intended this way. I'm just providing the perspective of a normal user that wants a stable efficient system.

I wasn't overly worried as I have an installed & configured PCLOS system on a thumb drive in case I ran into problems...
Hi NGIB... :)
Good to hear your Upgrade went well. A bit confused about the Testing thread? It is a testing area. It certainly is available for new users to read but not meant for them. Its a debugging area. Is there something we can do to make it more clear to the average user? Dont want to scare people off, but we do have to de-bug... ;) I am sure the team would be glad to look into any recommendations.

(Personally. I DO think the title of the tread could be made a little more clear, that its just a TESTING area..)
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Postby NGIB » 12 Sep 2013 12:08

I mention it as folks have linked to it in threads where a user asks a normal upgrade question. Perhaps the "testing" area should be hidden from users that are not testers as the process is confusing. I'm just trying to represent a normal user and what I see when I come here.

I generally hit "view new posts" and this thread is always at or near the top of the list and the fact that it's a "testing" area thread is NOT displayed on the new topic screen...

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Postby GeneC » 12 Sep 2013 12:16

I think you do have a valid point.

I also have found the thread titles confusing.
UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC
= Testing
UP - 31/08/2013 12:00 UTC
= Production ..... :?: :?

Not all that clear.... Especially is you (like me.... :) ..) Use the "View Active Topics" function almost exclusively to view the forums.... Perhaps one of the team will comment..
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Postby NGIB » 12 Sep 2013 12:21

Here's what I saw when I hit "view new posts" a few minutes ago. How do I (as just a basic user) know this is a thread for testers?

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No, I'm not a total noob but anyone that is can find this very confusing...

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Postby davo » 12 Sep 2013 13:52

Just finished the upgrade and all went very well on my SolydX install.

Using it now with the new kernel and all appears to be working as it should (thank you for all the hard work you have all put in)

One thing that i did notice is when running inxi -F, i get Distro Unknown

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dave@solydx-dave:~$ inxi -F
System:    Host: solydx-dave Kernel: 3.10-2-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.10.2 Distro: unknown
Machine:   Mobo: Dell model: 0P786H version: A09 Bios: Dell version: A09 date: 04/14/2011
CPU:       Dual core Pentium CPU T4200 (-MCP-) cache: 1024 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3) 
           Clock Speeds: 1: 1200.00 MHz 2: 2000.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RV635/M86 [Mobility Radeon HD 3650] 
           X.Org: 1.12.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1440x900@60.8hz 
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RV635 GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 9.1.6
Audio:     Card-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RV635 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 3600 Series] driver: snd_hda_intel 
           Card-2: Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel 
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.10-2-amd64
Network:   Card-1: Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY driver: b43-pci-bridge 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:26:5e:5f:14:0d
           Card-2: Broadcom NetLink BCM5784M Gigabit Ethernet PCIe driver: tg3 
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:22:19:ed:af:02
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (8.3% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: ST9250320AS size: 250.1GB 
Partition: ID: / size: 22G used: 4.2G (21%) fs: ext4 ID: swap-1 size: 4.29GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 47.0C mobo: 44.0C 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Info:      Processes: 166 Uptime: 27 min Memory: 760.9/2007.7MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 1.9.12 
dave@solydx-dave:~$ 
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Re: UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION]

Postby zerozero » 12 Sep 2013 15:03

[Topics merged- let's keep all the feedback topics/posts re: the September UP in one place]
bliss of ignorance

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Re: UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION]

Postby excollier » 12 Sep 2013 15:33

So, at the risk of sounding utterly stupid, is it safe to use the UP for SolydK yet? I know the due date was tomorrow.

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Re: UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION]

Postby dhave » 12 Sep 2013 16:12

I take it since the "further notice" hasn't come yet, we should hold off on the 2013.09.06 update.

I'm assuming the people who are reporting their results (mostly positive, by the way) are upgrading despite the warning, perhaps without knowing or perhaps on purpose, to add a little zest to their lives ;) .

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Re: UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION]

Postby zerozero » 12 Sep 2013 16:17

until further notice this is official recommendation
Schoelje wrote: Until further notice: please do not upgrade your system!
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Re: UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION]

Postby kyodev » 12 Sep 2013 16:29

little bug:
I test updatemanager 1.4.2, and when I clic on Update Pack Info,
. I don't see the UP Infos
. I have a warning: Your system is not pointing to the SolydXK repositories
. last update: 6.08
. Current Update Pack available: none

I have mirrors repositories:

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inxi -r
Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
           deb http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/solydxk/packages/ solydxk main upstream import kdenext community
           deb http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/solydxk/debian/production testing main contrib non-free
           deb http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/solydxk/debian/production/multimedia testing main non-free
           deb http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/solydxk/debian/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
I still can update.

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Re: UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION]

Postby excollier » 12 Sep 2013 16:36

zerozero wrote:until further notice this is official recommendation
Schoelje wrote: Until further notice: please do not upgrade your system!
Thanks for the clarification. I will wait.

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Re: UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION]

Postby kyodev » 12 Sep 2013 19:02

I see the problem. if my sources.list begins with comments, it fails:

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#testing solydxk
#deb http://packages.solydxk.com/ solydxk main upstream import kdenext community testing
#deb http://debian.solydxk.com/testing testing main contrib non-free
#deb http://debian.solydxk.com/testing/multimedia testing main non-free
#deb http://debian.solydxk.com/security testing/updates main contrib non-free

deb http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/solydxk/packages/ solydxk main upstream import community
deb http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/solydxk/debian/production testing main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/solydxk/debian/production/multimedia testing main non-free
deb http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/solydxk/debian/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
if source.list have no comments, mirrors or not, it works
if comments are at the end, it works, but the comments are deleted when editing preferences.
I know, it's better to use sources.d/ ;)

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Re: UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION]

Postby Walt » 13 Sep 2013 04:02

Wish I'd seen this before being prompted this morning to upgrade my system. It first upgraded UpdateManager then upgrade a number of other packages and installed quite a few more. Now the Update Manager icon no longer appears on the taskbar. Am I going to need to reinstall or will there be some other way to fix this?

[EDIT}Never mind. I appaear to have panicked for nothing. Upon rebooting my laptop, the Update Manager icon was back where it belonged on the taskbar.

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Re: UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION]

Postby escolar » 13 Sep 2013 08:21

I update my system, a Solydx with gnome-shell + some extensions. It was fast to download updates.
The only problem was nvidia module didn't update correctly and X didn't start after reboot.
After a short Google search I did:

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sudo apt-get purge nvidia-kernel-common
sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-xconfig
sudo reboot
And all is working now

Thanks for your work

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Re: UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION]

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 13 Sep 2013 08:36

Did you use the Update Manager?


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Re: UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION]

Postby escolar » 13 Sep 2013 08:41

Schoelje wrote:Did you use the Update Manager?
Yes, I did.

UP finished without any message, simply the UP windows closed. Then I reboot and X didn't work.
Afortunately I have experience about Nvidia module problems after upgrades and I did'nt worry.

Thanks for you work again

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Re: UP 2013.09.06 06:00 UTC [PRODUCTION]

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 13 Sep 2013 08:55

Let's hope that this won't happen too often: it should have been taken care of by the Update Manager.


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