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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby Snap » 19 Aug 2014 17:48

Yep, fleabus was faster than me. This situation is common. After installing the Nvidia drivers the xserver complains because the Nouveau driver is on the way and Nvidia not yet properly configured because of that.

Login to the tty. You can then elevate to su to avoid typing sudo every time.

Run nvidia-xconfig as fleabus pointed out. If it complains that the command is missing, sometimes happens, just install it the usual way. apt-get install nvidia-xconfig

Run it and reboot. You should get it right now with the Nouveau driver properly blacklisted. If not, login again and blacklist the Nouveau driver manually. Reboot.

It's always complicated installing these drivers in Debian or needing to use third party scripts (smxi) while in Ubuntu, Manjaro or Kaos it's a breeze. In these two last cases you are asked at booting right before installing and you forget about them forever. You got them from the very start. But Debian is a whole different story about the non-free software. :roll:
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby timber » 19 Aug 2014 21:09

nVidia driver problems here too after 8/19/14 UP.
I did the usual, removed xorg.conf and nvidia blacklist and am able to boot to X without nvidia driver.
Tried reinstalling nvidia driver using DDM ... all seems to go well but upon reboot will not boot to X
Tried nvidia-xconfig ... reboot, still will not boot to X
Tried nvidia-detect ... says my card is compatible and to install nvidia driver, but same results ... no boot to X

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Detected NVIDIA GPUs:
02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GT218M [GeForce 310M] [10de:0a75] (rev a2)
Your card is supported by the default drivers and legacy driver series 304.
It is recommended to install the
    nvidia-driver
package.
Once again, removed xorg.conf and nvidia blacklist and am able to boot to X without nvidia driver.
Tried apt-get install nvidia-driver nvidia-xconfig (root), then tried DDM nvidia driver install again ... no boot to X.

I'm usually able to eventually solve my nvidia issues but can't seem to this time.
I'm thinking that the nvidia driver (for my card) is not compatible with with this kernel ... not sure.

Any suggestions welcome, Thanks ;)
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby fleabus » 19 Aug 2014 21:23

My hardware is old, a 2009 HP dv-7 laptop. The card is the 9600GT.

Perhaps my test was invalid...

The kernel I actually installed during the "test" was 3.14.15-2 (2014-08-09), installed on a fresh test-install of SolydK64-201407. I simply switched repos to Debian Testing and installed the latest kernel that was out there.

The kernel we are installing for the security update is 3.14.13-2 (2014-07-24). I installed this on my main system, an older SolydX64 install from back in September 2013.

Of course both of these got the same updated nvidia-driver package.

Let me hasten to add that both scenarios worked on my hardware, and continue to do so. But my hardware is old.
Maybe some of you have newer cards or hardware? Just grasping at straws at this point.... :?

The point I was focusing on was the security update, which I assumed was cool as long as I moved to kernel 3.14.13-2 or better, just wasn't thinking....

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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby timber » 19 Aug 2014 21:44

I can just ride with the nouveau driver for now without problems but wanted to let you know that there is some kind of compatibility issue after the latest UP (at least with my nvidia card).
The problem may be at the debian level (don't know) so there may not be anything that can be done at the SolydK level right now.
It's been a while since I've used the DDM but I thought the nvidia option usually suggested "nvidia-glx" rather than nvidia-driver ... did something change there or am I just experiencing a senior moment?
Thought I'd list my machine specs below for reference.
Thanks for all.

Dave

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dave@wolf ~ $ inxi -Fzx
System:    Host: wolf Kernel: 3.14-1-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 4.8.3) Desktop: KDE 4.13.3 (Qt 4.8.6) 
           Distro: SolydXK 1 testing 
Machine:   Mobo: SAMSUNG model: R580/R590 Bios: Phoenix v: 08JB.M032.20100331.hkk date: 03/31/2010
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5 M 430 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 9044 
           Clock Speeds: 1: 1199 MHz 2: 1199 MHz 3: 1199 MHz 4: 1199 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GT218M [GeForce 310M] bus-ID: 02:00.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.15.1 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1366x768@60.0hz
           GLX Renderer: N/A GLX Version: N/A Direct Rendering: N/A
Audio:     Card-1 Intel 5 Series/3400 Series High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 
           Card-2 NVIDIA High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 02:00.1 
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.14-1-amd64
Network:   Card-1: Marvell Yukon Optima 88E8059 [PCIe Gigabit Ethernet Controller with AVB]
           driver: sky2 v: 1.30 port: 5000 bus-ID: 07:00.0
           IF: eth1 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) driver: ath9k bus-ID: 03:00.0
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (19.9% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: SAMSUNG_HM500JI size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 15G used: 8.5G (61%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda11 
           ID-2: /home size: 20G used: 11G (55%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 55.0C mobo: 55.0C 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Info:      Processes: 174 Uptime: 14 min Memory: 789.8/7867.1MB Init: SysVinit runlevel: 2 Gcc sys: 4.9.0 
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.111) inxi: 2.1.28
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby fleabus » 19 Aug 2014 21:46

timber wrote:I thought the nvidia option usually suggested "nvidia-glx" rather than nvidia-driver ... did something change there or am I just experiencing a senior moment?
Yes, they changed the package name a while back. Some folks got caught in that fiasco too... :)

The only other thing I can think of is systemd. My newer test install has it of course, but the older one is running without it, using systemd-shim. Again grasping at straws, as both these things are working...

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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby timber » 19 Aug 2014 21:53

Oh good, I thought I was losing it. I'm just outdated and out of touch ... that's normal.

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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby Snap » 19 Aug 2014 21:54

Some time ago the 304 users were the ones driving crazy with the updates. Now it seems the situation reverted and are the fortunate guys. :roll:

Do you still have an older kernel around in your system? I like to keep an old one just in case the new ones go wrong for my system. In my particular case, my GPU works great with Nouveau drivers until kernel 3.12. From that point Nvidia drivers are mandatory for me. Dealing with this stuff is usually a nightmare.
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby fleabus » 19 Aug 2014 22:00

Snap wrote:Dealing with this stuff is usually a nightmare.
Yes... On my main machine here, the HP with the 9600, Nvidia seems to be mandatory no matter what the kernels have been. This card never has liked Nouveau, always gets funny little block/line artifacts, and intermittent trouble getting it to behave with my external monitor.

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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby timber » 19 Aug 2014 22:06

Snap wrote:Some time ago the 304 users were the ones driving crazy with the updates. Now it seems the situation reverted and are the fortunate guys. :roll:

Do you still have an older kernel around in your system? I like to keep an old one just in case the new ones go wrong for my system. In my particular case, my GPU works great with Nouveau drivers until kernel 3.12. From that point Nvidia drivers are mandatory for me. Dealing with this stuff is usually a nightmare.
Yup, I have previous kernels as well as alternate SolydXK editions on other partitions, makes for a lengthy grub but worth it IMO.
Never noticed much of a difference between Nouveau or nVidia drivers but I think nVidia probably helps with CAD and Netflix and perhaps with digiKam.

So far, I've always found a solution ... I'm stumped for the day but figure it will ether be resolved or I'll dig in another day and solve it ... yes, I agree, this stuff is usually a nightmare (I'm pretty used to it).

Dave
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby Snap » 19 Aug 2014 22:13

Never noticed much of a difference between Nouveau or nVidia drivers but I think nVidia probably helps with CAD and Netflix and perhaps with digiKam.
In my particular case (Quadro FX1500) the only difference was the GPU fan. The Nouveau driver makes it spin like crazy and damn noisy. The Nvidia makes it silent. Now with the newer kernels Nouveau simply doesn't work. I need the Nvidia.
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby timber » 19 Aug 2014 22:27

Sure looks like it installs properly ... just doesn't act like it (with no nvidia logo at boot and no boot to X)

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dave@wolf ~ $ ddm -l
ddm [options]

Options:
  -c (--codes): comma separated list with pre-selected hardware
                possible hardware codes: nvidia, ati, broadcom, pae, intel, via, nvidia_intel, ati_intel
  -d (--debug): print debug information to a log file in user directory
  -f (--force): force start in a live environment
  -h (--help): show this help
  -i (--install): install preselected hardware drivers (see codes)
dave@wolf ~ $ ddm -d
INFO      Write debug information to file: /home/dave/ddm.log
INFO      Machine info: Linux version 3.14-1-amd64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.8.3 (Debian 4.8.3-4) ) #1 S
INFO      DDM version: 1.0.5
INFO      Used graphics driver: nouveau
INFO      Used wireless driver: ath9k
INFO      Checking your hardware...
INFO      nvidia-driver
INFO      Nvidia card found: NVIDIA Corporation GT218M [GeForce 310M]
INFO      Nvidia driver found: nvidia-driver (installed)
INFO      Nvidia driver found: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (installed)
INFO      Nvidia driver found: xserver-xorg-video-fbdev (installed)
INFO      Nvidia driver found: xserver-xorg-video-vesa (installed)
INFO      nvidia-driver
INFO      Switch to module: nvidia
INFO      WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuration file.
INFO      Package xorg-server was not found in the pkg-config search path.
INFO      Perhaps you should add the directory containing `xorg-server.pc'
INFO      to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
INFO      No package 'xorg-server' found
INFO      New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
INFO      Driver installed: nvidia-driver

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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby Snap » 19 Aug 2014 22:55

Do you get to the login manager or just the tty before the X? nvidia-xconfig didn't worked? Have you checked if the Nouevau is blacklisted. That output says that the Nouveau is working and Nvidia lacks configuration. That's what nvidia-xconfig should do.
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby timber » 20 Aug 2014 01:06

The output you see is using the Nouevau driver.
Since I can't get into X using nvidia driver I can't give you the output there.
I get "just the tty before the X" when I use DDM to install nvidia-driver.
No nvidia logo displays at boot per a normal nvidia boot.

For some reason the nvidia driver just won't load so the only way I get into X is to use Nouevau.
I'm not sure what's happening but there seems to be some incompatibility with nvidia driver and the current kernel.

Dave

p.s. Perhaps there is a way to purge everything nvidia.
I'm willing to try if someone can help me figure out how to do this.
Then I will use ddm -d and show the output to see if that works.
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby fleabus » 20 Aug 2014 04:13

timber wrote:p.s. Perhaps there is a way to purge everything nvidia.
From this post (interesting thread):

http://forums.solydxk.nl/viewtopic.php? ... 12&#p37198

Complete switch to nouveau:

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# rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
# rm /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia*
# rm /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf
# apt-get purge nvidia*
# reboot

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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby timber » 20 Aug 2014 07:02

Thanks Fleabus,
I'll give this a try then give DDM another shot.

Fingers crossed,
Dave
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby fleabus » 20 Aug 2014 08:25

Don't know if you had a chance to check out Scott's tutorial?

http://forums.solydxk.nl/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2908

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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby dirigible » 20 Aug 2014 10:38

Thanks for all the advice.
Think I've followed up on it all, if anyone can see something I've missed please let me know.
Schoelje wrote:Make sure you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf
and that you have nouveau blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/
/etc/X11/xorg.conf exists and looks OK.

Blacklist statement in /etc/modprobe.d/ is there as well and looks OK.

Since these two files were created, and the contents look correct, I didn't issue the suggested commands to recreate them.

The result of “nvidia-detect” says my card is also supported by the legacy driver so I tried installing that one. Same result, xorg.conf and blacklist statement created OK but no GUI when booted.

Looks like it's the Nouveau driver for now.

If there's anything else I should try or if there's any output I can list to throw some more light on this problem please let me know.
SolydK 64bit Home Edition.

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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 20 Aug 2014 11:11

You could try sgfxi: http://smxi.org/site/install.htm
But if you don't really need it and nouveau works fine, I'd just let it be until the next driver version.


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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby zerozero » 20 Aug 2014 11:20

what i find odd is the error message Dave is getting from DDM

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INFO      Package xorg-server was not found in the pkg-config search path.
INFO      Perhaps you should add the directory containing `xorg-server.pc'
INFO      to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
INFO      No package 'xorg-server' found
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