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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 16 Jul 2014 19:16

I have a very experimental UM: http://downloads.solydxk.nl/dev/updatem ... .9_all.deb
It checks for a given installed package and version to decide if the UP was installed or not.
In this case it checks for solydxk-locale, version 1.0.4.
If it's not installed, it assumes the upgrade did not finish, and should start anew, even if the history file says the latest UP was installed.

Please, try this version, and let me know if it works.


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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby kurotsugi » 16 Jul 2014 19:43

I'm not quite sure about using a package as the flag. using that package as the flag means that we need to upgrade solydxk-locales for every UP period. in case if we update solydxk-locales between UP period we'll also need to upgrade updatemanager. IMO using a flag file would be easier. the logical process would be:

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if <file /usr/local/soldyxk-locales/upflag.2014.7.17 exist >
     do < whatever we need to do >
else do < something else>
fi
I'm a bad programmer but I hope you got the idea :lol:
my idea is to create a flag file into specific package (I use solydxk-locales but you can change it if you want). in that way we'll still have to update solydxk-locales for every UP but we can freely updates solydxk-locales anytime between UP without worrying about updatemanager. it will be usefull on a scenario when we have some improvement on solydxk-locales.

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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby palimmo » 16 Jul 2014 20:12

palimmo wrote:
schechtman wrote:I have the same problem:

The K 64 machine is not login in. Shows me the login screen, and I click on the user shown and type the password and doesn't get in. It goes back to the login again. My 3 machines are doing it. They all used to run perfectly until now.
I tried the previous kernel, no deal. What went wrong??
The same here.

As previously posted, I resumed the update with the update manager but after 20 minutes my laptop was frozen.
I rebooted and I had to use the command
sudo dpkg --configure -a
and when finished I rebooted again.

But now I face this situation: log-in screen, I can type user and password, confim but no way to log-in.
It goes back continuously like a loop.

I have tried to enter in the console and type there
startx
but I after a few seconds I get an error that says
Segmentation fault

No ideas... :(
My experiences:

in order to solve the login loop, I connected the DSL wire and I followed grizzler's instructions
http://forums.solydxk.nl/viewtopic.php? ... =40#p39858

Everything went correct but after that I was still stuck at the login "loop".

Therefore once again grizzler's suggestion was very helpful
http://forums.solydxk.nl/viewtopic.php? ... =40#p39891

Now I am correctly logged-in kde.

However I have noticed some problems:

- touchpad was not fully recognised. I solved installing (why did the UP remove it?) synaptiks.
- gmail-plasmoid doesn't work.
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But I'll open a different thread for this.


Thanks guys for everything.
This UP has been not really... soft and delightful... but you're great and I have solved most of the problems in a few hours. :D
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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby Attunga » 16 Jul 2014 20:43

zerozero wrote:if you are experiencing problems (and you are in SolydK) doing both won't hurt.
OK cool .. I actually had both problem, the installation crashed and then I could not get back in.

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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby grizzler » 16 Jul 2014 20:48

Schoelje wrote:Please, try this version, and let me know if it works.
With solydxk-locale still installed and history up=2014.07.15, I get the 'Your system is up to date' message after UM has updated the package lists. Remove that package and the message doesn't come up immediately, but it still does when I click Install. No packages show up (i.e. no prompt to install solydxk-locale either). I don't think this is what's supposed to happen...

Like kurotsugi I'm not sure using a package as a flag is the right approach. How about using a file to maintain the current state of the process? Depending on how fine-grained you make that, you could get a pretty good idea of the stage the process reached or if it was even started.
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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby grizzler » 16 Jul 2014 20:55

palimmo wrote:touchpad was not fully recognised. I solved installing (why did the UP remove it?) synaptiks.
As zerozero wrote, in some (most?) cases mentioned in this thread the support script didn't run at all. It was designed to prevent the login problem and the removal of several packages that were previously provided by kdenext. Remove the script from the equasion and you're back at a plain dist-upgrade, including all the issues that were encountered during testing.
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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 16 Jul 2014 21:34

The hist file is the flag, but the previous versions of the UM handled that badly.
This version needed to compensate that bad behavior, but I see that I'm on the wrong way to solve this.
I will concentrate on the ISOs, and when anybody would like to give it a shot: https://github.com/SolydXK/updatemanager


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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby kurotsugi » 16 Jul 2014 22:46

instead of locales we actually have lots of option for the flag. one of them is quite interesting

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lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID:	MiauwX
Description:	MiauwX personal edition
Release:	17.03
Codename:	azzure
note that the release string (17.03) could be modified into the date of the latest UP. if we use this approach not only it is easier to do it, we can also check the UP status in numerous way including inxi

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System:    Host: kurozv3 Kernel: 3.14-1-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 4.8.3) 
           Desktop: N/A Distro: MiauwX 17.03 azzure 

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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby cruachan » 16 Jul 2014 22:51

Having sorted out the login issue I though I was home and dry but I'm still having issues with the update. My next (and hopefully final) problem is that I've no sound. The System Settings show that audio playback is set for Built-In Audio Analog Stereo but the test button produces no sound. VLC is also soundless. I've checked and it's not muted. I can confirm that the sound was working before the update. I've run the solydfixes update script again but it finishes with 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not updated so it appears to be fully upgraded. Any suggestions as to what I can do to resolve this.

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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby smitty1 » 16 Jul 2014 22:53

My problem is with Xfce HE. The restart/shutdown/suspend buttons in whiskermenu and Xfce4-applcations-menu are greyed out.
This haas persisted afte a half dozen reboots.
inxi -Fxxr

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System:    Host: xmain Kernel: 3.14-1-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 4.8.3) 
           Desktop: N/A info: xfce4-panel dm: lightdm 
           Distro: SolydXK 1 testing 
Machine:   System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP G42 Notebook PC v: 0593110002242710010020100
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 1444 v: 69.37
           Bios: Hewlett-Packard v: F.29 date: 04/07/2011
           Chassis: type: 10
CPU:       Dual core AMD Turion II P540 (-MCP-) cache: 2048 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4a svm) bmips: 9574 
           Clock Speeds: 1: 1500 MHz 2: 1500 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4225/4250]
           bus-ID: 01:05.0 chip-ID: 1002:9712
           Display Server: X.Org 1.15.1 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@60.0hz
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RS880
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 10.1.4 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RS880 HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 4200 Series] 
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:05.1 chip-ID: 1002:970f 
           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) 
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2 chip-ID: 1002:4383 
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.14-1-amd64
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: 2000
           bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8136
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 3c:4a:92:5a:60:32
           Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)
           driver: ath9k bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 168c:002b
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 4c:0f:6e:6a:4a:8f
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (8.4% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST9320325AS size: 320.1GB serial: 5VD61MZS
Partition: ID-1: / size: 20G used: 5.5G (30%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 67.0C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
           deb http://packages.solydxk.com/production/ solydxk main upstream import
           deb http://debian.solydxk.com/production testing main contrib non-free
           deb http://debian.solydxk.com/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
           deb http://community.solydxk.com/production/ solydxk main
Info:      Processes: 144 Uptime: 16 min Memory: 757.9/7747.9MB 
           Init: systemd v: 204 runlevel: 5 default: 2 
           Gcc sys: 4.9.0 alt: 4.6/4.7/4.8 
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.111 running in /usr/bin/termin) inxi: 2.1.28
Any Ideas?

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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby zerozero » 16 Jul 2014 23:51

Alpha wrote:I'm using SolydK (64) with ATI graphics. I ran the update last night using UM and had issues like others have had. Followed Grizzlers post and it fixed the issue. Thanks Grizzler.

Now I'm having an issue with UM. It says it's ver 2.3.8 and UP 2014.07.15 but after it starts it scans the packages and throws a

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E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
in a little box.
Followed by "Your system is up to date!"
Then the UM switches back to the Information screen displaying the 2014.07.15 Update information.
The "System is up up date" closes when I click OK but the "error box" won't close and UM is frozen at that point.
FYI I start UM from the panel icon.

I tried updating just the UM last night in a terminal window and noticed the same error as stated above.
Everything else seems fine just have this UM issue at this time.
Any ideas? Did I do something wrong?

BTW I love this distro, and completely understand that stuff happens with updates. I think that you guys have done a great job in helping people get updated after having issues. Although I'm very new to Linux, if I can help at all with testing in the future let me know and I'll go and sign up to be a tester.
open a terminal window and post here the output of

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sudo apt-get -f install
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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby zerozero » 16 Jul 2014 23:57

cruachan wrote:Having sorted out the login issue I though I was home and dry but I'm still having issues with the update. My next (and hopefully final) problem is that I've no sound. The System Settings show that audio playback is set for Built-In Audio Analog Stereo but the test button produces no sound. VLC is also soundless. I've checked and it's not muted. I can confirm that the sound was working before the update. I've run the solydfixes update script again but it finishes with 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not updated so it appears to be fully upgraded. Any suggestions as to what I can do to resolve this.
just to be absolutely sure that the update didn't remove any essential bit please locate the file

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/var/log/apt/history.log
and upload it as attachment with your next post.
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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby Alpha » 17 Jul 2014 00:40

open a terminal window and post here the output of
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sudo apt-get -f install

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alpha@mainpc ~ $ sudo apt-get -f install
[sudo] password for alpha: 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
1 not fully installed or removed.
After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
Setting up initramfs-tools (0.115) ...
update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated)
Processing triggers for initramfs-tools (0.115) ...
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.14-1-amd64
/usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: 63: .: Can't open /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions
update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-3.14-1-amd64 with 2.
dpkg: error processing package initramfs-tools (--configure):
 subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
 initramfs-tools
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
alpha@mainpc ~ $ 
Here you go zerozero. Thanks for the reply.
I wish I knew more about Linux, my noobish sense tells me something didn't get written to the kernel properly or some kind of permission problem. Frankly I really have no idea. Other than UM not liking what's wrong, the rest of my install seems to run fine.
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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby Gonzalo_VC » 17 Jul 2014 01:13

Please,
Can any of you from the team or any other smarter guy summarize which problem is which? Are we all experiencing the same problems with the UM and, perhaps, KDE? (in the home, rolling version, not BE stable or LTS).
Some possible solutions (2 or 3) were posted here and, sincerely, I'm confused.

One issue I have with some libs is not original. I guess some application I have installed (from the repos, ALWAYS) needs 32 bits libraries too, I don' know. The others are replicated by other colleagues.

And for the record, again, I don't install much more than what it comes with the ISO: Libreoffice in X 32 (yes, it's absurd not to have that office pack to make the distro lighter and make it 64 bits, that runs in newer computers!!); Chromium (to have another browser).

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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby rokytnji » 17 Jul 2014 01:29

@smitty

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apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
returns what?

@Ganzalo

Kinda hard to day as my breakage was different from other users and my fix was my own without using
anybodies elses suggestions.

Each members install is different. I run moc, cli_radio, glances, just to name a few that other members don't run.
So conflicts may be different depending on /etc/apt/sources.list repos being used and applications and desktop enviornments or even Window Managers being used. Whether using SpaceFM or Thunar in XFCE.

Choice makes troubleshooting a personal kind of thing. At least for me. I am not the sharpest pencil in the cup.
But I calm down and think for a second before I go into action. My breakage today was partially to a overthink on
my part and was self induced. So my breakage was different from yours or others.

I guess the weed down here is just too good for me to panic about anything.

Edit: I forgot to mention. Debian testing is also going through some major changes with systemd and udev
so times are just get getting more interesting when one upgrades. :)

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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby grizzler » 17 Jul 2014 05:39

Gonzalo_VC wrote:Can any of you from the team or any other smarter guy summarize which problem is which? Are we all experiencing the same problems with the UM and, perhaps, KDE? (in the home, rolling version, not BE stable or LTS).
Some possible solutions (2 or 3) were posted here and, sincerely, I'm confused.
The support script either didn't run at all (because people didn't check the state of the updatemanager as mentioned in the first posting in this thread) or it did run and crashed on the libgdbm3:i386 issue. In both cases, running solydfixes -kduyft and doing sudo apt install --reinstall kde-workspace-bin won't hurt and should at least get you back in business.

If the script didn't run at all, there are bound to be other packages missing. You can see which ones in apt's history log (/var/log/apt/history.log). If you can't make sense of that file, post it here (preferably as an attachment because it can be quite large).
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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby guiverc » 17 Jul 2014 05:48

Howdy & thanks for prior help.
> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install updatemanager; updatemanager -u
helped heaps; running updater from UI & 'updatemanager'

ps: have both XFCE & KDE desktops loaded on my SolydXK box
It then kept reporting my system was 'live' & refused to update; I renamed /lib/live/ & that disappeared.

finally got
---
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
calligra-semanticitems g++-4.8 libakonadi-xml4 libboost-iostreams1.54.0
libboost-program-options1.54.0 libboost-regex1.54.0 libcamel-1.2-43
libdotconf1.0 libebackend-1.2-6 libecal-1.2-15 libedata-book-1.2-17
libedata-cal-1.2-20 libedataserver-1.2-17 libenet2a libgnutls28 libkqoauth0
liblivemedia33 libllvm3.3 libmarblewidget17 libmimelib4 libmodemmanagerqt0
libmozjs24d libmwaw-0.1-1 libnetworkmanagerqt0 libokularcore3
libopencolorio1 libpoppler37 libpoppler43 libsdl-gfx1.2-4 libstdc++-4.8-dev
libtk8.5 libtracker-extract-0.16-0 libtracker-miner-0.16-0
libtracker-sparql-0.16-0 libx264-133 libxatracker1 libyaml-cpp0.3
linux-headers-3.11-2-686-pae linux-headers-3.11-2-common
linux-headers-3.13-1-486 linux-headers-3.13-1-686-pae
linux-headers-3.13-1-common linux-image-3.11-2-686-pae
linux-image-3.13-1-486 linux-image-3.13-1-686-pae linux-kbuild-3.11
linux-kbuild-3.13 python-qt4-sql python3-pyqt4 python3-sip
python3-software-properties software-properties-common tk8.5 xulrunner-24.0
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be upgraded:
lintian
1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
1 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0 B/765 kB of archives.
After this operation, 144 kB of additional disk space will be used.
(Reading database ... 418679 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../lintian_2.5.24_all.deb ...
Unpacking lintian (2.5.24) over (2.5.21) ...
dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/lintian_2.5.24_all.deb (--unpack):
trying to overwrite '/usr/share/lintian/overrides/lintian', which is also in package funny-manpages 1.3-5
dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/lintian_2.5.24_all.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
--
error conflict with unimportant funny-manpages ; so `apt-get remove funny-manpages`; then re-tried update & it

worked (took a few goes; renaming /lib/live/ twice so have two copies).

not sure if I should rename /lib/live_renamed* back - as i noted
--
cp: cannot stat ‘/lib/live/boot’: No such file or directory
live-boot: corecp: cannot stat ‘/lib/live/boot’: No such file or directory
--
anyway update appears to have completed for me.
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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby cruachan » 17 Jul 2014 06:53

@zerozero Thanks for replying. Attached is the file you requested.
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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby bostaurus » 17 Jul 2014 09:09

Hello, during yesterday and today I updated 5 computers with Solydk or Solydx. Only one time I had to take grizzlers script - Thank you!
BUT
on my laptop Fujitsu Lifebook A Series the networkmanager does not work correctly. I use a UMTS/HSPA-Pendrive. After suspend-to-ram ("Ruhezustand") I have to connect manualy every time. Before update, it did that automatically.
Second problem: When I close the lid and open it after some hours I get a black screen with ununderstandable hints every third time. Or the laptop refuses to go into suspend-to-ram.
For me these features are important, because I Have to change my room for working alsmost every 45 minutes and a not reliable system makes me ill.

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Re: UP and BE/BO 2014.07.15

Postby grizzler » 17 Jul 2014 13:24

Schoelje wrote:I will concentrate on the ISOs, and when anybody would like to give it a shot: https://github.com/SolydXK/updatemanager
Wish I could help out, but my python skills are best described as non existent. I only played with it a little a couple of years back.

On the other hand, after reading through the python manual and glancing at the UM code, I'm intrigued. Contrary to what you might think, that is not a good sign, because it usually means I start messing with things to such an extent that you can't recognise them anymore after a couple of weeks. ;)

Luckily (believe me...), I'll have to spend a lot of time on other things until at least mid August, so brushing up on my python and taking a serious look at the updatemanager will have to wait (and in the meantime, you'll probably have the whole thing fixed, so what am I going on about anyway?).
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