MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

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MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby RalphB » 06 Jan 2014 14:39

Really the new Makulu linux distro is relatively exactly like solyd:
Based on Testing
Both using Mint tools
Both rolling
Both feature KDE and XFCE desktops
Both are for novice users

Maybe there could be some collaboration between the distros, the goals seem compatible and the distros seem to be quite similar.
Sure it has a hippo as its mascot but still the similarities are quite striking
http://www.makululinux.com/

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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 06 Jan 2014 16:31

If you check there sources.list, you can see they are already pointing to our repository:

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makulu@makulu:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
#Debian Testing

#Testing Main
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free

#Testing Security
deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main contrib non-free

#Testing Proposed Updates
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing-proposed-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing-proposed-updates main contrib non-free

#Testing Multimedia
deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing main non-free

#Jessie Main
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ jessie main


#LinuxMint Main
deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main import

#SolydXK Main
deb http://packages.solydxk.com/production/ solydxk main upstream import
deb http://community.solydxk.com/production/ solydxk main

#Opera Browser
deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free
deb http://deb.opera.com/opera-beta/ stable non-free

#Skype
deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free

#Google Chrome repo
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main

#Google Talk browser plugin                                                     
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/talkplugin/deb/ stable main

#Google Earth
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/earth/deb/ stable main

#Google's Music Manager
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/musicmanager/deb/ stable main

#Cinnamon 2.0


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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby RalphB » 06 Jan 2014 16:34

Its nice though they share the repos, gives both reasoning to be :D

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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby ukbrian » 06 Jan 2014 17:28

Makululinux uses the Refracta snapshot/installer to create his ISO's so you can install home to any drive.

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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby Night Wing » 06 Jan 2014 19:04

I took a look at Makulu and I liked what I saw on YouTube. Ditto for SolydXK.

But, the deciding factor for me was the download time it took to download the iso. Makulu was going to take 4 hours and that was the deal breaker for me. This is why I went with SolydX.

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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby Dr G » 07 Jan 2014 00:21

It appears they are not interested in 64-bit versions.

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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby Deleted User 2763 » 07 Jan 2014 02:30

I cannot understand the resistance of some to move to 64 bit. It's been around since 2003. That's ancient in the IT world.
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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby Night Wing » 07 Jan 2014 03:13

The author of Makulul, Raymer Jacque, gives his reasons why he won't build a 64-bit version in the link below.

http://www.makululinux.com/apps/forums/ ... ux-version

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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby Deleted User 2763 » 07 Jan 2014 04:06

He's a little off on PAE. PAE will allow you to use over 4gb, but not all at once.
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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby raymerjacque » 07 Jan 2014 11:41

Just want to address some stuff if i may :)

Solydxk is a great distrobution, i am not here to step on any toes... But altho it may seem like there are some similarities between Makulu and solydxk nothing can be further from the truth, I think our end goals and visions are different, At the moment yes both offer KDE and XFCE, But i plan to make a whole range of DE's available, I am close to releasing E17, Gnome3 will follow, Then hopefully Mate, Openbox etc etc...

Another thing is that Makulu is still very young, we are still going through growing pains, getting to feel what users want, what is popular, what is needed and what needs improvement, so i dont see how you can compare Makulu to a more well established distro like Solydxk who has been around the block longer than we have.

The 64bit issue : When the time is right I will gladly work on 64bit builds, i never said otherwise, but right now Wine and Steam are a big part of our releases, and neither support 64bit fully. Yes there are work arounds, but those tend to be more headaches in the long run, PAE may not use ALL your ram on a single app, but how many apps do you know that 90% of the users out there will run daily that even need 4GB ram ? I dont know any and the people that do run such high end software normaly would use suse and such distro's, so until we get to the point where we build 64bit versions, PAE is a great alternative. Also remember that where most dev teams have a whole bunch of guys working on a distro, I am just one guy that has to do everything from building to desiging to testing to fixing ... Just lonesome me, and 64bit would need ALOt of attention to make sure it works as intended with both steam and wine with minimal issues, its time i just dont have in abundance right now, ill get there yes ... but everything has its moment :)

Lastly, the main reason for using the Soldxk repo is for DDM, you guys did an amazing job making that little tool, so congrats for that :)

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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby Deleted User 2763 » 07 Jan 2014 12:06

I didn't want to derail thread, nor detract from his hard work.
I just wanted to point out what PAE is/is not.
There is always room for all.
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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 07 Jan 2014 12:13

Hi raymerjacque, and welcome to our forum!
I want to congratulate you with your outstanding OS, and wish you the best of luck, but mostly fun.


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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby raymerjacque » 07 Jan 2014 12:22

Schoelje wrote:Hi raymerjacque, and welcome to our forum!
I want to congratulate you with your outstanding OS, and wish you the best of luck, but mostly fun.
Thank you, Same to you, but you said the Magic word right there "fun" ... i have worked on many projects before Makulu, Mostly gaming related ( hence my most noticable gfx and eye candy skills ), but i have never enjoyed any of them as much as i have working on Linux, mostly because the community is just so awesome, everyone is friendly, everyone just shares everything so willingly and easily and apart from the occasional flamewar that seems quite rare, users for the most part seem to adapt a lot easier to things. It is complete opposite in the gaming world where everyone always aggressive and you have to watch every word you say because someone will interpret it the wrong way and start a 4 page flamewar. I have been working closely with the Australis team, and for the life of me never thought i would meet such a friendly bunch of australians... So yes, Fun is the key word, nicely said :)

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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby Deleted User 2763 » 07 Jan 2014 12:52

@raymerjacque I didn't realize your were the dev of Makulu.
Great job!! and of course I didn't mean any offense.
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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby Fargo » 07 Jan 2014 21:00

Isn't it risky to use Mint repos along with Debian/SolydK repos since Mint is based on Ubuntu?

I wish Makulu well. As our two distros mature, maybe some workload can be shared between them.

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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby raymerjacque » 07 Jan 2014 23:57

Fargo wrote:Isn't it risky to use Mint repos along with Debian/SolydK repos since Mint is based on Ubuntu?

I wish Makulu well. As our two distros mature, maybe some workload can be shared between them.
No, its pointed at their LMDE ( debian ) repo, not their ubuntu repo :
#LinuxMint Main
deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main import
The reason for this was mainly for the Mint Menu, mint update and ofcourse their Software Center. Originaly i wanted to use the default software center but found Mint version altho slightly slower to be far more stable :)

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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby J.Jay » 08 Jan 2014 07:02

I tried Makulu... Awesome
Butstarted my adventure ( :P ) into the mate (a little harder on Debians yet)till reaches repos :roll:
Then hopefully Mate, Openbox etc etc...
geting some trouble with 64bit like you said Skype (wine) steam Netflix-desktop (more wine anyone ;) ) ect.
was thinking going back (32bit) maybe Makulu (4.4?)

Just Thinking (Outloud typing) :twisted:
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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby jsalpha2 » 08 Jan 2014 15:23

As our two distros mature, maybe some workload can be shared between them.


If only all the developers of pure Debian based distros (not Ubuntu based due to PPAs and other differences) could meet and work together. Maybe an IRC Channel. With only a few or in some cases one developer, it doesn't make sense to spend hours on a problem that someone else may have already solved. Some of the other Debian based distros besides Makulu are that I am aware of are Sid, AptoSid, Kanotix, AvLinux, and LinuxBBQ. There are many others. If Schoelje approves something could be set up and people could be contacted. Just a thought. :D

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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby raymerjacque » 08 Jan 2014 15:46

There already is such a channel in Mumble, the "open linux community". both MakuluLinux ( me ) and Australis dev's are on there to name a few, They assist me with issues, and i assist them with issues, we have been freely sharing information in that channel for close on a year now i think, and it is a open channel where all dev's and users can join if they wish. The australis guys are extremely friendly, they sit and crack jokes in the channel all day long, youll feel welcome straight away :)
The channel details on Mumble :

Address : eagle.mumbleboxes.com
port : 36143
Should the dev's from Solydxk or from any distro or any linux user wish to chat or just hangout, there channel is online 24/7, altho everyone is from different time zones so you may not always catch the intended team or person at your specific login time...

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Re: MakuluLinux and SolydXK: practically the same distro

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 08 Jan 2014 16:20

raymerjacque wrote:There already is such a channel in Mumble, the "open linux community". both MakuluLinux ( me ) and Australis dev's are on there to name a few, They assist me with issues, and i assist them with issues, we have been freely sharing information in that channel for close on a year now i think, and it is a open channel where all dev's and users can join if they wish. The australis guys are extremely friendly, they sit and crack jokes in the channel all day long, youll feel welcome straight away :)
The channel details on Mumble :

Address : eagle.mumbleboxes.com
port : 36143
Should the dev's from Solydxk or from any distro or any linux user wish to chat or just hangout, there channel is online 24/7, altho everyone is from different time zones so you may not always catch the intended team or person at your specific login time...
I'll think about it...but I have to convince the wife first ;) (too much time at the computer)


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