SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

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SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby anxova » 29 Mar 2013 16:21

I want to install Solyd on the laptop of my wife. It is an old dual-core AMD HP Laptop and now uses Windows 8. I want to configure it with dual boot and install Solyd. My experience on Mint is that if I want to have WIFI working properly, the best way to have XFCE is installing some XFCE-native distro.

QUESTION 1:
Then, I had thought that the best choice to have XFCE and KDE in that laptop is with SolydX. Once installed, I can add KDE. But with which metapackage?

QUESTION 2:
If I install SolydK first, I simply take the laptop with my favorite desktop yet. But then, If I add XFCE metapackage, WIFI will work without any problem? Sincerely, I don't want to pass a lot of hours in this forum because the laptop can't connect... NOOOOOOOOOOO :D

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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby cwwgateway » 29 Mar 2013 17:03

Do you know if this laptop has UEFI/SecureBoot (since it has Windows 8)? The installer doesn't support SecureBoot, and I don't think it supports UEFI (it's possible I'm wrong).

If you know you can install it, then I think you can do the following:
Before you start, run this:

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sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq solydx-meta
Then start by installing the meta-package.

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sudo apt-get install solydk-meta
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sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq solydk-meta
This may not work (I've never tried it), but I'd think it would.
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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby anxova » 29 Mar 2013 18:09

I think my poor English skills have betrayed me. I want the two desktops in this laptop: XFCE and KDE. I think this laptop will can boot in Solyd because its original windows version was Vista Home 32 bits, like my Vaio laptop.
I have decided to install SolydX first and then add KDE desktop. KDE-desktop metapackage is a good choice or must I install the solydk metapackage over solydx to have the two desktops accesible?
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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 29 Mar 2013 18:39

No, if you install SolydX, you can install KDE.
No SolydK meta package is needed: you'll have the SolydX look, with KDE desktop. You can't have both on one install.

I suppose you only have to install kde-plasma-netbook and LightDM should give you the possibility to boot the KDE desktop.
I never tried it, though. So, maybe better to try it first in VirtualBox.


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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby anxova » 29 Mar 2013 19:57

Thank you. I will try it. Then I will post here the result.
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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby cwwgateway » 29 Mar 2013 21:53

If the laptop started with Vista, then it should be able to use SolydXK

So you can only have one meta package even if you've removed the other?

Also, does the normal kde session install when you install kde-plasma-netbook or does it only install the netbook session? IIRC, the KDE package most people installed was kde-standard. I don't know which session anxova wants (I assume they are different). I just checked and it seems that kdm is not a dependency of kde-standard, but is a dependency of kde-plasma-netbook:

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christopher@chris-laptop:~$ cache showpkg kde-plasma-netbook | grep kdm
5:77 - kde-runtime (2 4:4.8.4) plasma-netbook (2 4:4.8.4) kde-workspace (2 4:4.8.4) kde-baseapps (2 4:4.8.4) udisks (0 (null)) upower (0 (null)) kde-l10n (2 4:4.8.4) kdm (2 4:4.8.4) xserver-xorg (0 (null)) kde-minimal (3 5:57) kde-minimal:i386 (3 5:57) kde-plasma-netbook:i386 (0 (null)) 

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christopher@chris-laptop:~$ cache showpkg kde-standard | grep kdm
christopher@chris-laptop:~$ 
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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby anxova » 29 Mar 2013 23:39

Well, I have installed SolydX already. Only SolydX. I always installed kde-desktop, i don't have tested the installation of kde-laptop never. I think that this 'flavour' is like the activity "launcher". Like the default desktop in some mini distros with KDE.
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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 29 Mar 2013 23:50

I thought that the difference was in the added software: desktop or netbook specific, but I can be wrong...


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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby zerozero » 30 Mar 2013 00:06

when i had to do this (pre-Schoelje time :lol: ) i always installed kde-standard (gives you a fuctional kde desktop with the minimal set of kde applications)
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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby cwwgateway » 31 Mar 2013 21:40

zerozero wrote:when i had to do this (pre-Schoelje time :lol: ) i always installed kde-standard (gives you a fuctional kde desktop with the minimal set of kde applications)
This is what I remember was the suggested method back when people did this. I think BostenPeng also did a number of LMDE KDE installs before Schoelje's LMDE KDE, so he might have some insight (my guess would be he used kde-standard, though). IIRC, kde-full was sometimes used when people didn't care about space and wanted everything. However, kde-standard seemed good for most people.
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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby BostonPeng » 02 Apr 2013 15:30

cwwgateway wrote:
zerozero wrote:when i had to do this (pre-Schoelje time :lol: ) i always installed kde-standard (gives you a fuctional kde desktop with the minimal set of kde applications)
This is what I remember was the suggested method back when people did this. I think BostenPeng also did a number of LMDE KDE installs before Schoelje's LMDE KDE, so he might have some insight (my guess would be he used kde-standard, though). IIRC, kde-full was sometimes used when people didn't care about space and wanted everything. However, kde-standard seemed good for most people.
You remember well, cww. I did add KDE on top of LMDE pre-Schoelje and I did it with kde-standard and it gave me just about everything I wanted. (I seem to remember having to specifically install Amarok but it was a while back.) I looked at how much kde-full wanted to install and decided I didn't need it all. The good news is that if you need to add something that isn't in kde-standard it's an easy install.

As far as initially installing one flavor of ScolydXK and then adding the packages for the other I think it would be okay to go in either direction. I can't say for sure though because I've always preferred to pick one DE and stick with it, but as always YMMV.
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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby GeneC » 02 Apr 2013 17:28

I just did this (install kde-standard) on top of SolydX-64 just this morning. All went well with no troubles. I now have a KDE plasma desktop option on login.... :mrgreen:
I am not real fluent in KDE... but all seems to be working well.

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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby BostonPeng » 02 Apr 2013 17:32

Sounds like you got it done, GeneC. Enjoy the beautiful blueness of KDE. 8-)
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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby GeneC » 02 Apr 2013 17:35

Hi Boston..

I was glad to see that kde-gtk-config is now in the repos. No need to go to your blog for the compile instructions. Been a little whle since I used KDE. I downloaded Bespin theme, but cant figure out how to install? No install options found?
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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby BostonPeng » 02 Apr 2013 17:45

Good to hear my kde-gtk-config article is less needed. I'll have to add a note to the article. As far as Bespin goes you'll need to install Bespin itself to use a theme. I think it's in the repos, and once it's installed you can just run

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bespin
from the RCI and use the Import button on the Presets tab.
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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby GeneC » 02 Apr 2013 18:15

Ah! Ok, its coming back to me. I had not installed

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Installed the following packages:
kde-style-bespin (0.r1552-1)
Its there now. KDE sure is a different animal... :lol:
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Re: SolydX+KDE or SolydK+XFCE?

Postby BostonPeng » 02 Apr 2013 18:46

Good to hear you have it fixed. I was in the middle of installing Steam when I responded so I couldn't call up Synaptic to see the package name for you.
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