Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

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Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby Snap » 24 Oct 2014 09:49

Just curious. Some distros are strongly supporting 32-bit and don't care about 64 bit architecture at all for different reasons. Mostly for old hardware compatibility and keeping it simple, or simply lighter and easier to mantain. But at the same time more distros are moving to 64 bit only and dropping 32 bit support. Some are already 64 bit only like Chakra or Kaos, and some are planing to drop the 32 bit isos in the near future, like Ubuntu and even Crunchbang for the next Janice release due next year after Jessie reaches stable.

The more typical user complaints about dropping the 32 bit support is old hardware and Wine and 32 bit only wine apps.

Are there any plans for SolydXK?
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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby fleabus » 24 Oct 2014 10:37

Yes. Schoelje did say in another thread that there will be 32bit versions of the new Solyd, after the merge in 2015...

My old hardware was glad to hear that too. :)

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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby Snap » 24 Oct 2014 10:46

Nice to know. So my sister's PC will get SolydK 32 soon. She's still on Kubuntu 12.04 LTS but I convinced her to switch to the forthcoming Debian Stable via SK32 HE.
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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby Zill » 24 Oct 2014 11:10

I sincerely hope that SolydXK, together with many other distros, keeps 32-bit support for the foreseeable future! Many users have older hardware that is ideally suited to 32-bit distros, either for desktop use or as servers. To condemn millions of machines unnecessarily to landfill seems extremely irresponsible to me.

Even with later hardware that is 64-bit capable, there are still advantages for some users in running 32-bit as this does lower system requirements. Many users don't really need and/or fully use the advantages of 64-bit distros.
Snap wrote:...some are planing to drop the 32 bit isos in the near future, like Ubuntu and even Crunchbang for the next Janice release due next year after Jessie reaches stable...
This really worries me. I keep an eye on Crunchbang forums and have missed this. Do you have a link?

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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby Snap » 24 Oct 2014 11:32

It's buried in the huge Janice thread, I'll look for it.
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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby Snap » 24 Oct 2014 11:34

http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic. ... 24#p395924

It was very surprising to me. A gazillion of the Crunchbang community members are on old computers.
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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby Zill » 24 Oct 2014 14:43

Snap: Thanks for the link. Fortunately, the CrunchBang "Ideas for Janice" thread is really just a wishlist / talking shop. From what I can see, the post you referred to is just an idea floated by one user, vrkalak, who simply made the inflammatory statement "Support for (32bit) is being deprecated" without giving any real justification or source for this.

I have seen nothing from CrunchBang's founder and sole developer, Corenominal, about this and so suggest it can really be ignored. As you say, lots of CrunchBang users love the way it is a great distro on old, as well as new, computers and so I doubt if 32-bit will be dropped.

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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby zerozero » 24 Oct 2014 20:00

to put the #! question into perspective
http://www.sabayon.org/article/importan ... deprecated
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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby rokytnji » 24 Oct 2014 20:16

I guess it is time for me to sell off my IBM T23, M41, and atom n270 netbooks according to the ignorant masses.

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Put Windows XP SP3 on em. That'll show em!

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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby Zill » 24 Oct 2014 20:29

zerozero: Thanks for that but quite why a Sabayon announcement has appeared in a CrunchBang thread is still a mystery to me! I can't see how what Gentoo/Sabayon are doing can really affect the direction of Debian/CrunchBang/SolydXK. I just hope that the "powers that be" on our side of the fence realise the importance of keeping 32-bit. With or without SystemD... ;-)

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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby zerozero » 24 Oct 2014 20:41

Zill wrote:is still a mystery to me!
usually the simplest explanations are the best: maybe the user forgot the quote and link the news giving the (wrong) impression that it was a #! related news.
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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby wildman » 25 Oct 2014 00:31

Because of the year 2038 bug, all things 32bit will be gone before the bug hits. The distros that do it earlier are shooting themselves in the foot because there is still a lot of 32bit hardware in use. And many people can't afford to go out and buy a new computer with an expensive operating system they don't like or want so GNU/Linux is a practical alternative.

I would like to make a comment about SolydX. Over the years I have used several distros, including Ubuntu and Mint, and SolydX is by the most reliable and the most stable without question. It also has a support network that is rivaled by none. To the Dev Team and testers I would like to say well done and thank you.
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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby Nuke » 25 Oct 2014 13:15

Wildman wrote :-
Because of the year 2038 bug, all things 32bit will be gone before the bug hits.
I had heard of the 2038 bug but didn't think that was a factor in OS's going 64 bit at the moment. Wikipedia points out that there could still be 32-bit embedded systems around even then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem. For example I have only just retired a 16-bit hand-held (Psion Series 3) which was 20 years old and which I would have kept longer if the display had not failed.

OTOH for a 64-bit system Wikipedia says
Using a signed 64-bit value introduces a new wraparound date that is over twenty times greater than the estimated age of the universe: approximately 292 billion years from now, at 15:30:08 on Sunday, 4 December 292,277,026,596
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I love that precision. There should just be time for afternoon tea.

If I still have my 32 bit PC's (two of them) when all Distros have gone 64-bit, I could probably carry on with the older software for a time. After all, I still boot in to Windows 98 sometimes in order to use a fast scanner that has drivers for nothing else.

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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby fleabus » 25 Oct 2014 21:36

zerozero wrote:to put the #! question into perspective
http://www.sabayon.org/article/importan ... deprecated
:lol:

Hmmm.

Copy-Pasta Chef? :twisted:

Maybe it's the same guy? :?

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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby zerozero » 25 Oct 2014 21:37

fleabus wrote:Maybe it's the same guy?
nahh :mrgreen:
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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby fleabus » 25 Oct 2014 21:41

wildman wrote:....32bit will be gone before the bug hits. The distros that do it earlier are shooting themselves in the foot because there is still a lot of 32bit hardware in use.
Amen to that. 2038 is a ways off, it's a bit early to be worrying about that.
wildman wrote:....SolydX is by the most reliable and the most stable without question. It also has a support network that is rivaled by none. To the Dev Team and testers I would like to say well done and thank you.
Again, Amen to that. Solyd is the best. Bar none. 8-)

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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby fleabus » 25 Oct 2014 21:43

zerozero wrote: nahh :mrgreen:
Of course not. It's absolutely unthinkable. I am so dumb.... :lol:

I swear y'all, the trolls keep getting better and better. Why watch TV?

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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby zerozero » 25 Oct 2014 21:50

fleabus wrote:I am so dumb.... :lol:
;)

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Zill wrote:I sincerely hope that SolydXK, together with many other distros, keeps 32-bit support for the foreseeable future! Many users have older hardware that is ideally suited to 32-bit distros, either for desktop use or as servers. To condemn millions of machines unnecessarily to landfill seems extremely irresponsible to me.
32bit arch is basically half the total combined downloads of SolydK and SolydX;
with 32bit SolydX having more downloads than 64bit and the opposite with SolydK.
with those number in mind (and knowing that the upcoming new-Stable will be also 32bit) it would be irresponsible (for us) to drop 32bit.
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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby fleabus » 25 Oct 2014 22:03

zerozero wrote:....with 32bit SolydX having more downloads than 64bit and the opposite with SolydK.
Interesting! I didn't know that. SX32 is certainly on all my older stuff, and runs fine even on the P3s.

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Re: Will SolydXK 32 bit keep going?

Postby Zill » 25 Oct 2014 22:12

zerozero wrote:...32bit arch is basically half the total combined downloads of SolydK and SolydX...
...with those number in mind (and knowing that the upcoming new-Stable will be also 32bit) it would be irresponsible (for us) to drop 32bit.
Thanks. I am very pleased to hear that SolydXK will continue supporting 32-bit. :-)


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