Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

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Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby Zill » 21 Mar 2014 15:03

The SolydK Business Edition webpage states that: "While the home editions of SolydXK were developed to be stable and still having the latest software available, the SolydK Business Edition has been developed to provide “Long Term Support” based on Debian Stable."

The SolydK Back Office webpage states that: "SolydK BO is based on SolydK BE. Like SolydK BE it provides “Long Term Support” based on Debian Stable."

So far, so good. However, the BO webpage also states that: "SolydK BO is downloadable as a 64-bit version only, but you can convert any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO by installing the meta package:
sudo apt-get install solydkbo-meta"
"This package includes all custom packages for SolydK BO. It is used as a one time install for users that want to convert an existing SolydXK to SolydXK BO."

This has me puzzled as this implies that an existing SolydK (or even SolydX) Home Edition can easily be converted to SolydK BO.

As the Home Edition is a semi-rolling release based on Debian Testing and SolydK BO is a static release based on Debian Stable, there will surely be dependency problems when trying to downgrade multiple Testing packages (and associated config files) to Stable packages.

I appreciate that the installation of the solydkbo-meta package will probably create a new sources.list but does it also ensure a clean downgrade of Testing to Stable? Presumably, this package also installs all the KDE stuff on to an existing SolydX installation as well?

In order to help me give accurate advice regarding SolydK BE and SolydK BO I would appreciate some clarification of this puzzle.

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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby kobros » 21 Mar 2014 15:34

Try this simulation in a terminal to see what that "transfer command" will do.
It doesn't actually do it because of the -s (=simulate) flag :

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sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -s install solydkbo-meta 
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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby Zill » 21 Mar 2014 16:05

kobros: My SolydX wants to install an awful lot of packages...

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The following extra packages will be installed:
  apache2 apache2-bin apache2-data catdoc dbconfig-common letodms
  libapache2-mod-php5 libapr1 libaprutil1 libaprutil1-dbd-sqlite3
  libaprutil1-ldap libauthen-pam-perl libc-client2007e libcurl3
  libdbd-mysql-perl libdbi-perl libjs-codemirror libjs-jquery-cookie
  libjs-jquery-event-drag libjs-jquery-metadata libjs-jquery-mousewheel
  libjs-jquery-tablesorter libjs-jquery-ui libjs-underscore libmcrypt4
  libonig2 libphp-adodb libqdbm14 memcached mlock mysql-client
  mysql-client-5.5 mysql-server mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server-core-5.5
  php-auth-sasl php-db php-gettext php-http-request php-letodms-core
  php-letodms-lucene php-log php-mail php-mail-mime php-mdb2 php-net-dime
  php-net-smtp php-net-socket php-net-url php-pear php-soap php5 php5-cli
  php5-common php5-curl php5-gd php5-imap php5-json php5-ldap php5-mcrypt
  php5-memcache php5-mysql php5-readline php5-sqlite php5-xsl phpmyadmin
  solydkbo-admin solydkbo-letodms solydkbo-orangehrm solydkbo-projectlibre
  solydkbo-siwapp solydkbo-typo3 solydkbo-zurmo webmin zendframework
Suggested packages:
  apache2-doc apache2-suexec-pristine apache2-suexec-custom apache2-utils tk
  wish uw-mailutils libmldbm-perl libnet-daemon-perl libplrpc-perl
  libsql-statement-perl libjs-jquery-ui-docs libmcrypt-dev mcrypt php5-adodb
  libcache-memcached-perl libmemcached libterm-readkey-perl tinyca id3
  php5-dev php5-user-cache php5-pgsql
No KDE stuff though. :?

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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby Orbmiser » 21 Mar 2014 20:06

Yep I would imagine that being so with SolydK BO aims to support the following main business processes:

Internal information streams with SeedDMS.
Employee management with OrangeHRM.
Customer relations, and leads with Zurmo.
Build and manage a professional site with Typo3.
Invoicing with SiWapp.

These business applications are web-based and can be shared through your entire organization. All you need is a browser.
So a lot of extra server and network applications.

Just guessing here? :?
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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 22 Mar 2014 10:25

What he says ^ :)


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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby Zill » 22 Mar 2014 12:27

I am not querying the addition of the web packages required for SolydK BO. What I am questioning is how the package "solydkbo-meta" changes a current SolydX Home Edition system into SolydK BO?

Firstly, this package does not seem to install any KDE packages and, secondly, SolydK and SolydX Home Edition are both based on Testing, rather than Stable. How does the "solydkbo-meta" package reconcile the different package versions and convert a semi-rolling system to a fixed-upgrade system?

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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby MAYBL8 » 22 Mar 2014 14:23

I think things have changed since the original BO was released.
I don't think the meta package changes you to stable. I think it just adds the Business Packages to your system.
I could be wrong. Maybe Schoelje could clarify?
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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby kobros » 22 Mar 2014 14:43

I think so too.
In any case the statement/claim "...conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO" is incorrect:
Going from SolydX to SolydK BO using the meta package does not bring in any KDE packages. So, It's still SolydX.
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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby Zill » 22 Mar 2014 15:09

So it looks like the package "solydkbo-meta" does not, in fact, change a SolydX installation to a SolydK installation and neither does it change SolydX HE or SolydK HE (both semi-rolling) to SolydK (BO) (stable).

If Schoelje is in agreement then I suggest that the webpage SolydK Back Office needs to be updated to show what the metapackage actually does.

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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 22 Mar 2014 15:14

solydkbo-meta installs: solydkbo-admin, solydkbo-orangehrm, solydkbo-siwapp, solydkbo-typo3, solydkbo-zurmo

You'll need to install these separately (could not be included in the meta package): projectlibre, solydkbo-seeddms

solydkbo-meta-graphics installs: plymouth-themes-solydkbo, solydkbo-grub2-theme, solydkbo-artwork, solydkbo-system-adjustments
and replaces: plymouth-themes-solydk, solydk-grub2-theme, solydk-artwork, solydk-system-adjustments, plymouth-themes-solydx, solydx-grub2-theme, solydx-artwork, solydx-system-adjustments

You can decide on how far you want to convert an existing install.


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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby Zill » 22 Mar 2014 15:27

Schoelje: I do not wish to install SolydK BO as I am quite happy with SolydX HE. :)
I created this thread as a result of reading on the SolydK BO webpage that any SolydXK distribution could be converted into SolydK BO.

While I am sure that this is technically possible for a skilled user, the impression from the webpage is that this is simply a matter of installing one meta-package. This seems to be incorrect.

IMHO, the webpage should be updated to reflect this to prevent giving unskilled users the wrong idea of what is involved.

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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 22 Mar 2014 18:02

To prevent any more discussion in the future, I've removed the text completely.


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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby Zill » 22 Mar 2014 18:09

Schoelje: Thank you for removing the problematic text.

My recommendation is that, with such (potentially) large changes from SolydX to SolydK and from Testing to Stable, a fresh install would be the best way to proceed for any user wishing to convert to SolydK BO.

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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby iridesce » 28 Mar 2014 03:18

Guess I should have read this first :roll:

Though I tend to learn by breaking installations first ...

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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby mkcev » 27 Jan 2015 17:08

I'm new to the forum. First of all, thank you for contribuiting SolydXK to the community. This OS is simply the best!

I tried looking for the meta package, but could not find it. I really wanted solydkbo-zurmo.

solydkbo installed great, but I did not have support for dual screens.

I've been using XAMPP under the home edition, but I feel it's a bit sluggish (using SugarCRM). Will Zurmo be installed the same way?

thanks- MK :mrgreen:

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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 27 Jan 2015 18:22

mkcev wrote:I'm new to the forum. First of all, thank you for contribuiting SolydXK to the community. This OS is simply the best!

I tried looking for the meta package, but could not find it. I really wanted solydkbo-zurmo.

solydkbo installed great, but I did not have support for dual screens.

I've been using XAMPP under the home edition, but I feel it's a bit sluggish (using SugarCRM). Will Zurmo be installed the same way?

thanks- MK :mrgreen:
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Re: Conversion of any SolydXK distribution into SolydK BO

Postby mkcev » 27 Jan 2015 18:54

yeah, I could imagine it would take allot of time. I respect your decision. Your distro has come a long way and I will help in any way I can keep it going.


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