Icedove latest update is thunderbirdbird. How do I find my mail? SOLVED

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Icedove latest update is thunderbirdbird. How do I find my mail? SOLVED

Postby patzy » 21 Apr 2017 03:47

Today update manager gave me an update of icedove.
I updated and when I went to get my mail I was presented with Thunderbird offering me to set up an account. :facepalm:

If icedove has gone how do I find my old mail setup and how do I put it into Thunderbird?
Is there an import feature, I can't seem to find one.

Help urgently needed, please.

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Re: Icedove latest update is firebird. How do I find my mail?

Postby grizzler » 21 Apr 2017 06:18

That's weird. Icedove is still in the repository. Why would Thunderbird replace it? It doesn't even look like there has been a recent update in stable. *)

Anyway, look for a hidden directory called .icedove in your home directory (could be .mozilla/icedove). Make a backup of it and rename it to .thunderbird (not .mozilla/thunderbird, just .thunderbird). Make sure the application doesn't run when you do that. Start Thunderbird an see if that fixed it.

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Hmmmm... You're tracking Testing, aren't you? That could explain things...

Edit 2
*) It does now. (https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/icedove). No less than four on the same day! (today - weren't there this morning...)
Not sure what exactly they're doing there...
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Re: Icedove latest update is firebird. How do I find my mail?

Postby patzy » 21 Apr 2017 06:52

Thanks for the help, Grizzler.

First this in on my stable SolydK 32bit machine.

I've already tried the name switch of /.icedove for /.firebird but firebird just churned for a few minutes and then shut down.

Of course the import feature doesn't work either. It doesn't recognize icedove as a mail system!

The UM just gave icedove in the list of updates and when it had finished I found an icon on the desktop Icedove-->Thunderbird and that was that.
I note there is also a thunderbird-solyxk-adjustments 2017.03.18 file installed. I don't know whether this has anything to do with it.

I tried to completely remove firebird, but it wanted to take icedove with it.

I see the icedove package is still installed, I'll try running it from Konsole. Rats! That only brought up firebird. :roll:

I'm getting frantic as I run a POP account and there is a pile of emails I need to refer to.

Thanks again for you help. If you have any other ideas please let me know.

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Re: Icedove latest update is firebird. How do I find my mail?

Postby grizzler » 21 Apr 2017 10:54

Please don't mess up the name. It's thunderbird. You calling it firebird (which is a database package) makes it difficult to guess whether or not you used the correct name when you renamed the directory. Please confirm this.

What does your sources.list look like?

What's the output of

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apt policy icedove
apt policy thunderbird
ls -la ~/.icedove
ls -la ~/.thunderbird
in a terminal?

Also, if you didn't do the correct rename earlier, do it now, but remove the newly created ~/.thunderbird first. You did make a backup copy of ~/.icedove, didn't you?
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Re: Icedove latest update is firebird. How do I find my mail?

Postby patzy » 21 Apr 2017 12:50

grizzler wrote:Please don't mess up the name. It's thunderbird. You calling it firebird (which is a database package) makes it difficult to guess whether or not you used the correct name when you renamed the directory. Please confirm this.
Yes I did use the correct name, and yes I have backups of both /.icedove and /.thunderbird.
grizzler wrote:What's the output of

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apt policy icedove
apt policy thunderbird
ls -la ~/.icedove
ls -la ~/.thunderbird
in a terminal?
Here are the results

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apt policy icedove
icedove:
  Installed: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1
  Candidate: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1
  Version table:
 *** 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1 0
        500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main i386 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     1:45.6.0-1~deb8u1 0
        500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main i386 Packages
     1:45.3.0-1~deb8u1 0
        500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main i386 Packages

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apt policy thunderbird
thunderbird:
  Installed: 52.0.1
  Candidate: 52.0.1
  Version table:
     1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1 0
        500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main i386 Packages
 *** 52.0.1 0
        600 http://repository.solydxk.com/ solydxk-8/main i386 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

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ls -la ~/.icedove
total 20
drwxr-xr-x  4 pat pat 4096 Apr 21 15:13 .
drwxr-xr-x 76 pat pat 4096 Apr 21 22:03 ..
drwx------  3 pat pat 4096 Apr 21 15:13 Crash Reports
drwxr-xr-x  8 pat pat 4096 Apr 21 11:02 f3bvleao.default
-rw-r--r--  1 pat pat   94 May 12  2011 profiles.ini

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ls -la ~/.thunderbird
total 20
drwxr-xr-x  4 pat pat 4096 Jan  2 11:17 .
drwxr-xr-x 76 pat pat 4096 Apr 21 22:03 ..
drwxr-xr-x  3 pat pat 4096 Apr 21 13:05 Crash Reports
drwxr-xr-x  9 pat pat 4096 Apr 21 22:09 pjzwmea6.default
-rwxr-xr-x  1 pat pat   94 Jul 25  2014 profiles.ini
Thanks once more for your help.

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Re: Icedove latest update is firebird. How do I find my mail?

Postby ilu » 21 Apr 2017 13:44

If this problem is NOT about firebird please also edit the name of this thread (replace "firebird" with "thunderbird" to avoid confusion.

I'd recommend to leave the .thunderbird directory as it was created by thunderbird to avoid any possible compatibility issue and import your old mails. How many mail accounts do you have? If it's less than 3 or 4 importing is easier.
Don't mess with the ,icedove directory and be be sure you have that backup.
@grizzler: that's the savest approach for everybody.

Start thunderbird and recreate your email accounts with data and settings just as you did when you first began with Icedove. That's the quickest way to get your email working.
Now go to "local folders" which should be at the bottom. Do "File->New->New Folder" and create 2-3 folders for each of your email accounts: email1-inbox, email1-sent and email1-drafts (if you have drafts).
When you've done that and everything's ok, report back and we'll get to your old emails from your backup.

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Re: Icedove latest update is firebird. How do I find my mail?

Postby grizzler » 21 Apr 2017 13:55

patzy wrote:
grizzler wrote:Please don't mess up the name. It's thunderbird. You calling it firebird (which is a database package) makes it difficult to guess whether or not you used the correct name when you renamed the directory. Please confirm this.
Yes I did use the correct name, and yes I have backups of both /.icedove and /.thunderbird.
You don't need the latter. Actually, you need to remove ~/.thunderbird first. This directory isn't needed. It was created because thunderbird couldn't find a directory or symlink with that name when it started. What you need is ~/.icedove renamed to ~/.thunderbird. Step by step:

1. make sure thunderbird isn't running
2. remove ~/.thunderbird
3. rename ~/.icedove to ~/.thunderbird
4. start thunderbird (you can use the old starter - the current icedove 'binary' is a symlink to thunderbird)

This should work. Just make sure the names are correct.
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Re: Icedove latest update is firebird. How do I find my mail?

Postby grizzler » 21 Apr 2017 13:57

ilu wrote:@grizzler: that's the savest approach for everybody.
But it shouldn't be necessary. It definitely isn't what the extra script Debian added is doing. Thunderbird should "just work" with the ~/.icedove directory renamed to ~/.thunderbird.
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Re: Icedove latest update is firebird. How do I find my mail?

Postby ilu » 21 Apr 2017 14:00

@grizzler. OK to avoid confusion I'll better keep out of this. Just in case things fail your way, he can easily copy his old mailboxes in the folders I told him to create and afterwards use thunderbird to copy/paste the emails into the right inbox/sentbox. It's the "import function" he asked about :-)
That's my preferred way to clean up whatever mess thunderbird or it's users have made. It's save even if the promised backup wasn't done. (I never belief in a backup unless I've seen and tested it myself)

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Re: Icedove latest update is firebird. How do I find my mail?

Postby patzy » 21 Apr 2017 23:46

grizzler wrote:
ilu wrote:@grizzler: that's the savest approach for everybody.
But it shouldn't be necessary. It definitely isn't what the extra script Debian added is doing. Thunderbird should "just work" with the ~/.icedove directory renamed to ~/.thunderbird.
I think I have found why the changing directory names did not work.

Thunderbird is running all the time and I can't seem to get rid of it. The icon is on the panel and no matter what I try (I've looked through all the remove KDE panel icons stuff I could find), I can not switch it off. :evil:
It seems that having set itself up, it doesn't want to let go.

Obviously it is in some setting somewhere, but where?

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Re: Icedove latest update is firebird. How do I find my mail?

Postby patzy » 21 Apr 2017 23:56

ilu wrote:@grizzler. OK to avoid confusion I'll better keep out of this. Just in case things fail your way, he can easily copy his old mailboxes in the folders I told him to create and afterwards use thunderbird to copy/paste the emails into the right inbox/sentbox. It's the "import function" he asked about :-)
That's my preferred way to clean up whatever mess thunderbird or it's users have made. It's save even if the promised backup wasn't done. (I never belief in a backup unless I've seen and tested it myself)
Ilu, if I can't find a way to switch thunderbird off and get the name change to work, I shall certainly be back to take advantage of your method.
As my mailing system has heaps of filters and other addresses attached I'm trying to avoid rebuilding it from scratch.

Thank you very much for your suggestions.

BTW My 'backups' are just straight copies of the directories/files. :)

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Re: Icedove latest update is thunderbirdbird. How do I find my mail?

Postby patzy » 22 Apr 2017 01:37

OK folks. I've done it.

I removed the firebird icon from the pane. I right clicked on it and selected quit from the firebird menu - how easy was that! :lol: I'm getting more stupid in my old age. :oops:

I then did the file name swap as grizzler suggested and it all worked! :D

So once again thank you all for your help.

That's what I like about this list - always lots of ideas and advice. :clap:

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Re: Icedove latest update is thunderbirdbird. How do I find my mail? SOLVED

Postby Refugee » 20 May 2017 03:27

The problem was startling. The fix was simple. Much thanks for that.

But I've discovered that my Enigma/PGP plugin is missing as well.

I haven't had time to investigate but I'm guessing the fix for this may be a bit more involved.

In any case, I'm still loving SolydXK and have great admiration, respect and appreciation for all who contribute to its development.

Rfg

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Re: Icedove latest update is thunderbirdbird. How do I find my mail? SOLVED

Postby ilu » 20 May 2017 06:31

Did you try to look for the plugin in Thunderbirds addon menu? You might need to reinstall it.


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