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greetings fellow debian xfce users

Postby wyruzk » 14 Mar 2014 14:12

Hello!
I am from the USA, Missouri, Kansas City, Northeast, South Indian Mound area :)
There is a McDonalds and a Taco Bell about 2 blocks away, lol. (I never go there; been one time to each)
This is an illegal immigrant area, so there are lots of good Mexican style restaurants nearby, though. Some other ethnic groups as well, Asian, Greek, Middle Eastern, even African.
There is a lack of organic grocers, though.

happy to find you
was using lmde, which has only mate and cinnamon now, tried to crossover to xfce, mainly because has better power module (normal/presentation)
of course that was not great, so did a search on distrowatch for xfce + debian
and there you go, solydxk, specifically created to fill the gap lmde left when abandoning x and k
much appreciated

I wanted to let you know: it is EXACTLY right (so far) ... love the default theme, etc.

why did they decide to not support the xfce and kde versions of LMDE? or is that a silly question?
it seems to me that the linux mint community is an apple loving one, but that may be my anti-apple predjudice talking

at any rate, i always had a sort of uneasy feeling about linux mint; i do not have that regarding solyd; i'm sure something will come up, as it always does, lol

\`'/

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Re: greetings fellow debian xfce users

Postby ScottQuier » 14 Mar 2014 15:09

Welcome to the forum and welcome to the distro!

Looking forward to seeing/reading your contributions here. So, pull up a chair and set a while. :)
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Re: greetings fellow debian xfce users

Postby rokytnji » 14 Mar 2014 15:17

Howdy and Welcome. I am more of just run what ya brung kinda guy. I have no opinions one way or another.

I don't have big opinions much on my wrenches in my toolbox, though I kinda know what ya mean because sometimes I have a favorite go to tool when I dissect motorcycles.

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Re: greetings fellow debian xfce users

Postby Longshot » 14 Mar 2014 17:33

Welcome to SolydXK, I just started using SolydX myself, came over from LMDE. I think the reason for there not being a Xfce or KDE version of LMDE is because LMDE is not the main priority of Linux Mint. The Ubuntu spin is where most of their focus is at and just maintaining Cinnamon and mate versions of LMDE is proving to be more work then its worth to them. I had high hopes for LMDE and Cinnamon is my favorite desktop but waiting 6 months for updates is not my idea of a stable distro and when simple things like the software center does not even work right, it was time for me to move on to find a better more stable up to date distro. Thank the gods for SolydX, stable, up to date, everything works like it should, and XFCE has come a long way.

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Re: greetings fellow debian xfce users

Postby wyruzk » 15 Mar 2014 01:59

thanks
it is like when you reach for that tool you need and you get some 'brandX' version that doesn't quite work right
esp. when you know the 'brandABC' version works fine

it is amazing to me that the ubuntu software center is so bad, even in linuxmint

{just had a really odd experience: as i was typing this, solydx decides it is important to log out; i tried to log back it but it got stuck, so i hit ctrl+alt+bkspc, the Xserver restarted, i logged in again. I started firefox, and it came up right to this screen, minus the line 'it is amazing' that i had just started to type when it fumbled; a few moments before that happened, i was on the solydxk webpage and trying to click on the 'support' link in the top menu; it had gotten bogged down, i hit esc, and the 'bad script' message popped up; i said stop script, and the webpage then worked fine, showing the support submenu and the forum link, which i then clicked on and proceded to find my last post and check it, even to start this reply...
lol, i am kind of impressed that i didn't have to start the reply over entirely, but was a bit surprised to have the problem at all, and wanted to let 'you' know.... anyway... }

ok... so i had a question: i opened the driver management program, and the video driver is fine, but .. i gotta check it one more time to be sure.. right ddm says ... PAE support only for 32-bit systems
I am pretty sure that core2duo is 64 bit, but is my 'system' 64-bit or 32? I have:
Dell Latitude D430 with core2duo and ssd, 2gb ram

my desire would be to run whichever version uses less battery power, 32b or 64b...
i have seen that most 32b systems use the PAE kernel, which appears to run slower than pure 32b systems, and use more battery, or so I have heard
what do you recommend? should I install 32b or keep using the 64b and what does it mean by saying PAE support only for 32-bit systems?
tyvm

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Re: greetings fellow debian xfce users

Postby Longshot » 15 Mar 2014 03:02

I looked up the Dell Latitude D430 and from what I can find out it used 32 bit systems and with you only having 2 gigs of ram, 32 bit would most likely run better anyway. In simple terms, PAE has to do with how much Ram your PC can use, 32 bit can use up to 4 gigs of ram and 64 bit systems can access over 4 gigs of ram, only having 2 gigs of ram, the 32 bit version of SolydX would work great for you and XFCE is a light desktop that needs only 512mb of ram to run, so 2 gigs is more than enough.

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Re: greetings fellow debian xfce users

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 15 Mar 2014 09:40

Hi wyruzk, and welcome to our forum!
Like longshot said concerning Mint: it's all about focus. If you run a company, in Clem and my case: the organization around a Linux distribution, you have to focus or burn out. The Mint team has been very clear in their focus, and maintain LMDE because the user group was big enough to spend some time on.


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Re: greetings fellow debian xfce users

Postby ane champenois » 15 Mar 2014 13:03

Hello wyruzk,
welcome to the SolydXK forum! I hope you'll enjoy solyd for a long time ;)
About your question on 32/64 bits version, what can I say to youis that your processor is 64bits and that is you want to use a 32bits version, the PAE is this only version that support multicore system.
So you have the choice between Solyd-32 with PAE and Solyd-64. I can't help you further about the battery use. Perhaps another user ;)
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Re: greetings fellow debian xfce users

Postby wyruzk » 15 Mar 2014 15:12

thank you very much, all
...
i think i understand; the D430 has a 64b processor, but also 32b motherboard or enough 32b components to call it a 32b system; or not enough 64b components to call it a 64b system

I am going to try the 32b version, just for the heck of it; it is interesting that I am running the 64b version, but perhaps the install program configured it to be 32b pae, as the ddm says; at any rate.... maybe I can run a benchmark before re-installing

I have heard that a pure 32b Kernel is preferred over the 32b-PAE Kernel, for speed and efficiency, such as heat and battery usage; perhaps the difference is insignificant, especially now, after more kernel updates; one thing I have noticed about Linux, they really do their best to work out the kinks in the kernel asap; the miracle of O.S.F.S.

ok, so... my little experiment in versions continues
1. What benchmark ulitily could I use to evaluate the performance difference between 32b (PAE) and 64b isos?
2. How could I modify the 32b install to use a non-PAE kernel, or is this a non-issue (is it that non-PAE has no multi-core support?)?
3. Am I using a 64b kernel that acts like a 32bPAE kernel for certain subsystems? (DDM says 'PAE support only for 32b systems')

so, i will mess around a little and see what happens

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Re: greetings fellow debian xfce users

Postby GDI » 15 Mar 2014 17:30

Hi wyruzk and welcome to the forum! I may have missed if you already posted it, but where are you located?


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Re: greetings fellow debian xfce users

Postby wyruzk » 15 Mar 2014 18:46

GDI wrote:Hi wyruzk and welcome to the forum! I may have missed if you already posted it, but where are you located?
Hello!
I am from the USA, Missouri, Kansas City, Northeast, South Indian Mound area :)
There is a McDonalds and a Taco Bell about 2 blocks away, lol. (I never go there; been one time to each)
This is an illegal immigrant area, so there are lots of good Mexican style restaurants nearby, though. Some other ethnic groups as well, Asian, Greek, Middle Eastern, even African.
There is a lack of organic grocers, though.

Update to project 32/64

this is from the d430 manual:

System Information
System chipset Intel 945 GMS
Data bus width 64 bits
DRAM bus width 64 bits
Processor address bus width 32 bits

I believe this means I should be using 32b ... yes?
The manual also states that the max memory supported is 2gb

Some good news: I was able to update my bios to the latest with nearly no fuss; installed a program, ran it, rebooted; automazing... still haven't explored the new bios, yet; i expect it will be same as old one

so... guess I'm sticking with the 32b version of SolydX for now; the actual hardware having a 32b limitation
(unless anybody has any other ideas?)

\`'/
nos odium

[the DDM offered an upgrade to PAE kernel with multicore support, which seemed nice; I am still uncertain about using 32b or 64b as I had successfully installed the 64b before trying the 32b... (see above), but am happy enough, and from my research and responses to this thread it seems the 32b is the way to go... lol, nobody suggesting i use 64b, so... ]

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Re: greetings fellow debian xfce users

Postby wyruzk » 15 Mar 2014 19:38

Here's my benchmarks for 64b and 32b using Globs and GtkPerf:

64:
Globs:

GL_pointz|1.0|36.8|640|480|False|2014-03-15 10:26:37
GLSL_parallax|1.0|44.2|640|480|False|2014-03-15 10:26:48
GL_shadow|1.0|44.0|640|480|False|2014-03-15 10:26:58
GL_blit|1.0|38.2|640|480|False|2014-03-15 10:27:08
Fake|1.0|893958.4|640|480|False|2014-03-15 10:27:17
GL_blit_ext|1.0|35.4|640|480|False|2014-03-15 10:27:36
GL_smoke|1.0|33.0|640|480|False|2014-03-15 10:27:46

GtkPerf 0.40 - Starting testing: Sat Mar 15 10:37:34 2014

GtkEntry - time: 0.17
GtkComboBox - time: 4.28
GtkComboBoxEntry - time: 4.21
GtkSpinButton - time: 0.70
GtkProgressBar - time: 0.32
GtkToggleButton - time: 0.63
GtkCheckButton - time: 0.63
GtkRadioButton - time: 0.64
GtkTextView - Add text - time: 1.72
GtkTextView - Scroll - time: 2.63
GtkDrawingArea - Lines - time: 1.26
GtkDrawingArea - Circles - time: 2.81
GtkDrawingArea - Text - time: 0.64
GtkDrawingArea - Pixbufs - time: 0.17
---
Total time: 20.82

32:
GLobs:

GL_pointz|1.0|31.2|640|480|False|2014-03-15 14:26:29
GLSL_parallax|1.0|39.0|640|480|False|2014-03-15 14:26:35
GL_shadow|1.0|47.0|640|480|False|2014-03-15 14:26:40
GL_blit|1.0|34.8|640|480|False|2014-03-15 14:26:45
Fake|1.0|708182.0|640|480|False|2014-03-15 14:26:50
GL_blit_ext|1.0|42.6|640|480|False|2014-03-15 14:26:55
GL_smoke|1.0|36.4|640|480|False|2014-03-15 14:27:01

GtkPerf 0.40 - Starting testing: Sat Mar 15 14:27:52 2014

GtkEntry - time: 0.20
GtkComboBox - time: 5.05
GtkComboBoxEntry - time: 5.74
GtkSpinButton - time: 0.78
GtkProgressBar - time: 0.37
GtkToggleButton - time: 0.74
GtkCheckButton - time: 0.74
GtkRadioButton - time: 0.76
GtkTextView - Add text - time: 2.00
GtkTextView - Scroll - time: 3.08
GtkDrawingArea - Lines - time: 1.56
GtkDrawingArea - Circles - time: 3.63
GtkDrawingArea - Text - time: 0.72
GtkDrawingArea - Pixbufs - time: 0.17
---
Total time: 25.56

something of a difference; should i go back to the 64b?

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Re: greetings fellow debian xfce users

Postby zerozero » 15 Mar 2014 20:09

hi wyruzk :) welcome to the SolydXK community

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we are going a bit off-topic with the 32bit vs 64bit questions here in the "introduce yourself area" but...
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from what i can see the D430 uses either the U7700 or the U7600 intel core2duo chipshet
http://ark.intel.com/products/33920/Int ... B-Socket-P
http://ark.intel.com/products/29764/Int ... B-Socket-P
both are 64bit-native processors so it would make all the sense to use a 64bit kernel;
however with "only" 2gb of ram [and depending of your usage] it might not make all that sense because
  • a 64bit system has a bigger memory foot-print; so you need more ram usage "just" to boot into the desktop [it can go until 50% more]
  • on the other hand 64bit systems are usually considered faster.
your choice here is not dictated by the ram available in the system but by the processor architecture and with that processor (being a dual-core) you either use a 64bit kernel or 32bit but with PAE extension

and regarding PAE, Linus (who apparently knows a thing or 3 about kernels) said this (in 2007)
http://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?thr ... stid=76973

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btw we could have a better understanding of its characteristics if you shared with us the output of

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Re: greetings fellow debian xfce users

Postby wyruzk » 08 May 2014 11:30

i am happy with the 64b version of solydX on my laptop
now I am also happy with it on my desktop
it su8rprised me by being so pleasing to my senses out of the box, so to speak
it is that mysterious 'look&feel' component that is so critical but hardly understood; seems you have gotten it right to ME

i would say it is a combination of simplicity and responsiveness; it works the way i want it to work.... tyvm

i had been using Xubuntu for a while now, and when they upgraded to 14.04 it included something called light-lock, which messed up my power management and would lock the screen, even though i told it not to; after uninstalling the lightlock i forgot to check to see if it worked right after a reboot, because it still did not work right... so, i decidded to install solydX instead, or in addition to, so now i am happy again, and hopefully the power module works right here
one thing i did notice, the grub did not recognize my previous installation of Xubuntu, but i think i can rfix that, though i don't really want to

well, thanks again for making something i actually like


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