[brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

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[brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby zerozero » 03 Mar 2013 00:00

following Schoelje's suggestion (here) can we find a theme that could be included in SolydXK?

as i see it it would have to comply to a few requisites:
1- easy maintainability (the best option -imo- would be a solid upstream project and not only some random beautiful theme;
2- gtk2/gtk3 (gtk3.4) compatibility and the perspective of easy gtk3.6 update (related with 1-)
3- Schoelje asks for one theme (cross xfce/kde compatible); apart from oxygen i can't see other :shock:
add your requisites as well

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(for xfce)
according to the above, i start with the shimmer-project (GIT), homepage
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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 03 Mar 2013 12:38

I like this thought of a distribution: "a distribution should be like an empty canvas: not offensive and inviting to change its appearance to your own taste if you want to."
A dark theme like Albatross has a strong character of its own and thus not as inviting as a light theme.
Bluebird is ok, but doesn't get me excited.
Greybird however, looks "elegant", and is inviting enough to change its appearance if you want to. I like that one.


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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby cwwgateway » 03 Mar 2013 14:57

Greybird has always been one of my favorites, and I think it's the default theme of Xubuntu. The problem is, like zerozero, I've personally never seen a theme for both KDE and Xfce (although I haven't looked into KDE themes enough) besides oxygen. If you look at Mint, they use different themes but they try to make them "look" consistent.
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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby ane champenois » 03 Mar 2013 22:33

hum, I'm not really a specialist, but if there's not common theme kde/xfce except one, perhaps shall we contact the persons which have done this one to have some informations: how to manage,...
what do you think about that?
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Postby cwwgateway » 03 Mar 2013 23:11

ane champenois wrote:hum, I'm not really a specialist, but if there's not common theme kde/xfce except one, perhaps shall we contact the persons which have done this one to have some informations: how to manage,...
what do you think about that?
That's a good idea :) . I think there are other kde themes that also have gtk themes (is qtcurve one of them?), but I don't know if any of them have xfwm themes (or if they have both gtk 2 and gtk 3 themes).
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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby wizard97_4 » 04 Mar 2013 03:56

Hello,

Greybird (+derivatives) and Faenza for icons are two sour values (Xfce). Very used by people and distros.
I don't say that because I installed them (Greybird is in SolydX, not Faenza) :lol:

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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 04 Mar 2013 07:45

I propose to choose one theme you prefer (@zerozero: could you make a poll out of this, or is there already consensus on the Greybird theme?), and work from there to get the theme working on both destktops.

@ane: can you contact the developers, and explain what our intentions are and if they are willing to work with us.
You can post back all communication in this thread so that we all know what's happening.


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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby wizard97_4 » 04 Mar 2013 13:08

Suggestion:
  • SolydX = Greybird + Faenza (cath-all)
  • SolydK = Oxygen
IMHO, the same theme on both SolydX and SolydK may be difficult. And oxygen is quite beautiful on kde but on xfce it depends on tastes. :)
Some problems with Oxygen on SolydX: http://forums.solydxk.nl/viewtopic.php? ... rt=10#p992

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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 04 Mar 2013 13:45

I respect everybody's tastes, but it's important to have a family of distributions. Recognizable because of their similarities.
Therefor, different themes for SolydX and SolydK is out of the question.
As long as Oxygen is capable of doing that, it's Oxygen that's being shipped with both distributions...until a better one is found or made.


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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby ane champenois » 05 Mar 2013 06:31

Schoelje wrote:
@ane: can you contact the developers, and explain what our intentions are and if they are willing to work with us.
You can post back all communication in this thread so that we all know what's happening.
Ok I make that within the week :)
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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby CjTX2 » 05 Mar 2013 18:55

IMHO: First impressions are very important to new distributions.

From my own experience there may be a problem with using oxygen as default in SolydX. We don't have definitive proof yet, but oxygen appears to be the forerunner to cause a conflict with Update Manager's ability to update right after install. http://forums.solydxk.nl/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=144#p1084

Do we need to confirm that oxygen is the cause and fix the conflict? Do we default to an apparently safer theme for now? Do we want to default to that problem as is? I am not trying to be argumentative, but I believe there is evidence of a conflict and that these questions need to be asked.

I lost hours getting a fix for this because I knew that security and serious problems would be fixed through updates. I'm a relative newbie. I came here from LMDE Xfce. I was a believer in this distribution before I got here. Others may not bother to pursue the fix in the forums, or accidentally stumble past it as Ane did by changing the theme early on, or by being part of the majority that seem not to have had a problem with it.

Word of mouth is our best ally and I want that word to be "WOW! Everything just works!" That is a difficult enough proposition without possibly setting up problems (even small ones) out of the box. OK. I've
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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby ane champenois » 05 Mar 2013 21:34

CjTX2 wrote:IMHO: First impressions are very important to new distributions.

From my own experience there may be a problem with using oxygen as default in SolydX. We don't have definitive proof yet, but oxygen appears to be the forerunner to cause a conflict with Update Manager's ability to update right after install. http://forums.solydxk.nl/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=144#p1084

Do we need to confirm that oxygen is the cause and fix the conflict? Do we default to an apparently safer theme for now? Do we want to default to that problem as is? I am not trying to be argumentative, but I believe there is evidence of a conflict and that these questions need to be asked.

I lost hours getting a fix for this because I knew that security and serious problems would be fixed through updates. I'm a relative newbie. I came here from LMDE Xfce. I was a believer in this distribution before I got here. Others may not bother to pursue the fix in the forums, or accidentally stumble past it as Ane did by changing the theme early on, or by being part of the majority that seem not to have had a problem with it.

Word of mouth is our best ally and I want that word to be "WOW! Everything just works!" That is a difficult enough proposition without possibly setting up problems (even small ones) out of the box. OK. I've
brainstormed my questions. My opinion and $5 will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. :lol:
I totally agree with you.
A "Solyd" ;) distrib has to be working in every case, and that is a real advantage, espacially in the world of computers: lots of people using it as a blackbox, neverminding about what's happening into (the work of the specialists) and just wanting everything's just working as CjTX2 said.
And the "bug" with oxygen theme must be taken seriously. I 've mistaken because I can't imagine oxygen and updatemanager linked :o

In another plan, I think very important to be attentive to everyone who is talking on the forum. Taking care of it allows to solve some tiny "bugs" as "oxygen bug" and increase the word to mouth.

For the theme, I think that this project could be a priority, to change the default theme oxygen quickly.
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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby tuktuk22 » 07 Apr 2013 16:18

.... themes.

when i hear ubuntu, i imagine orange
when i hear mint, i see lightgreen and white
when i hear opensuse, i imagine black and green with iguana. ..it is iguana isn't it?
when i hear crunchbang, everything is black grey and dark
... arch is blue with logos

hope you guys can make a unique theme that represent ".....hey! that's solydxk my fav disto!"

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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby RoarTiger » 15 Apr 2013 02:48

I have one small suggestion that is theme related. Could you consider a unique kickoff menu icon. There are so many distibutions using the default blue K and gold X on their desktops. A unique icon would make SolydXK instantly recognizable in screenshots. This is especially true in reviews where little to no desktop modification is done. I expect plenty of reviews upcoming for this awesome release! If you prefer to stay with the classic X and K theme then perhaps you could make an icon similar to the Youtube avatar with both gold and blue. For X destops the gold could be top right and for K destops it would be reversed with blue on top. At least this way the gold/blue icon could represent SolydXK as a whole.

Thanks for the amazing distro. Please feel free to ignore my dumb ideas :)

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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby greywolf » 15 Apr 2013 06:18

My take on this is that we should not think of it so much in terms of KDE & Xfce but Qt & Gtk! It is the underlying library of "widgets and wotchets" that is where we should look for common ground. That leads pretty much to Qtcurve as the underlying solution for uniformity. It comes in GTk2, Gtk3 and Qt4/KDE versions.

I suggest that, if we do not have the skill already inhouse, that we approach some theme developers on Digital Art or one of the other "big" theme houses and see if someone would be willing to work on something that uses Qtcurve as a base and is built on Greybird as a theme, but is specific to the SolydXK needs.

Please do not use Oxygen - I have had to take it off nearly every system it has come on because it simply does not play nice with anything outside its own requirements! In multi-user, multi-desktop environments it has been a bit of a nightmare!

Once installed though, themeing should be user choice is my view.

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Postby Arjen Balfoort » 15 Apr 2013 06:46

greywolf wrote:I suggest that, if we do not have the skill already inhouse, that we approach some theme developers on Digital Art or one of the other "big" theme houses and see if someone would be willing to work on something that uses Qtcurve as a base and is built on Greybird as a theme, but is specific to the SolydXK needs.
I don't have the skills, but worse, I don't have the time. So, if you are willing to pick up this project and contact Digital Art, I'd be very happy.


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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby cwwgateway » 15 Apr 2013 21:19

I think that's an interesting idea, greywolf. I have tried out qtcurve on kde (not on xfce), and I believe it could be used to have a consistent theme. One trouble is we'd have to make sure the qtcurve theme integrated with the greybird xfwm theme. That's where Xfce and KDE come into play - we need a plasma theme, a qt theme, a color scheme, an xfwm theme, and lots of other (KDE) stuff.
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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby greywolf » 19 Apr 2013 05:10

pick up this project
I just don't have time to commit to such a thing. I barely have enough time to login here regularly; and I don't like to promise what I can't deliver.

However, having said that, I am happy to put out a few "feelers" to the themers I know and see what responses might be around. It is ALWAYS a question of available time I think.

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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby on4aa » 19 Apr 2013 15:45

Schoelje wrote:I respect everybody's tastes, but it's important to have a family of distributions. Recognizable because of their similarities.
Therefor, different themes for SolydX and SolydK is out of the question.
As long as Oxygen is capable of doing that, it's Oxygen that's being shipped with both distributions...until a better one is found or made.
I am quite agnostic about themes, as long as they do not stand in my way and remain easy on my eyes. (Not too much contrast, please!) Proof is that I have not posted a screenshot of my desktop yet because I am a bit ashamed of only having added one additional panel and that is it.

However, one thing I grew accustomed to -and I was not realising this before installing SolydX- are the mint-x-icons in XFCE, for which Oxygen icons only seem a poor substitute. Pardon my ignorance -I do not use KDE4- but do I understand correctly that mint-x-icons do not work with KDE4?
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Re: [brainstorm] can we "make" a new theme for SolydXK?

Postby RalphB » 24 Sep 2013 17:18

Well perhaps we can take lessons from Ubuntu, as its perhaps the most recognizable linux right now for better or worse.
The thing is that why I am bringing Ubuntu up is that while we can argue all day about how we hate unity, how Ubuntu is ugly and all that...
But it does stand out and that is what we should take lessons from.
I mean look how many distros use the color blue and gray a.ka Kitchenware as Mark Shuttleworth dubs it, kitchenware can be seen in Mac OSX.
Its very gray and has many gradients.
Windows is currently like glassware, even though in windows 8 its more like dirty glass.
Coming up with something unique is hard to do, but I do think we can take lessons from Ubuntu on how to stand out.
Though not with those colors.


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