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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 03 Nov 2013 17:36

On your 32-bit system you shouldn't have seen the message that KDE was being removed.
Is that correct?


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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby smitty1 » 03 Nov 2013 18:51

No. I had it on both the 32 & 64 bit installs. Both in VirtualBox if that makes a difference.

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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby zerozero » 03 Nov 2013 18:58

K-64 with UM
(no strange removals)
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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby ScottQuier » 04 Nov 2013 12:57

Schoelje wrote:Unfortunately, I have some issues to report.

I finally got the update running, and it finished without an error.
Upon reboot, X failed to start.
I deleted xorg.conf, and all nvidia* files in modprobe.d.
Nouveau started without a problem.
Yesterday morning (0800 - 1000 EST), I had much the same issues and was going to post but SWMBO pulled me away for the entire day before I was able to do so.

What I did note yesterday is my Nvidia GT 7600 card used to be supported by ver 304.88 and yesterday morning the Nvidia install used 319.XX (don't remember the exact version).

Also, I have in the past noted that DDM took a Looooooooong time (~90 minutes) to update the Nvidia drivers (i7, 12GB, and the GT 7600). I've recently replaced the MBO/CPU/Mem and I'm still getting the sloow video driver update times using DDM. I'm starting to think it's the video card? I'll go through my stack of (old, leftover) video cards and see if I can find another Nvidia chipped card for which there is Nvidia driver support and see what I get. More on that if something comes of it.

I'm going to be hitting it again this afternoon and WILL post results.
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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 04 Nov 2013 13:12

don't forget to run DDM from terminal:

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ddm -d
and post back the log file here: ~/ddm.log (rename to ddm.txt to attach).
DDM is probably waiting for user input, but it obviously cannot handle that.


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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby ScottQuier » 04 Nov 2013 13:39

Schoelje wrote:don't forget to run DDM from terminal:

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ddm -d
and post back the log file here: ~/ddm.log (rename to ddm.txt to attach).
DDM is probably waiting for user input, but it obviously cannot handle that.
Will do. I might even do it twice if I can find a second video card that is support.
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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby timber » 04 Nov 2013 21:13

Still a no go with my card, NVIDIA GT218M [GeForce 310M].
Tried each of the latest UPs with latest ddm's but nvidia just won't load and I can't get into X.

This best describes my luck so far, also.
Schoelje wrote:Unfortunately, I have some issues to report.

I finally got the update running, and it finished without an error.
Upon reboot, X failed to start.
I deleted xorg.conf, and all nvidia* files in modprobe.d.
Nouveau started without a problem.
Nouveau driver works fine in the mean time.

Wonder if this is a problem throughout Debian testing distros?

Not sure if it's relevent but I found this recent post:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 19#p517542
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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 04 Nov 2013 21:25

You can try to do this manually:

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sudo apt-get purge nvidia* libxvmcnvidia1
sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia*
sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install --reinstall ddm
ddm -d
This will cleanup your system, make sure you have the latest ddm, and install the drivers with ddm.
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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby ScottQuier » 04 Nov 2013 21:33

Starting with the SolydX 201309 ISO install with Python disabled.

Here's the setup:

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scott@test2:~/Desktop$ inxi -r
Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
           deb http://packages.solydxk.com/testing/ solydxk main upstream import
           deb http://debian.solydxk.com/testing testing main contrib non-free
           deb http://debian.solydxk.com/testing/multimedia testing main non-free
           deb http://debian.solydxk.com/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
           deb http://community.solydxk.com/testing/ solydxk main
scott@test2:~/Desktop$ inxi -Fxxc0
System:    Host: test2 Kernel: 3.9-1-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit, gcc: 4.7.3) 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.10.2 (Gtk 2.24.18) dm: lightdm Distro: SolydXK 1 testing
Machine:   Mobo: ASUSTeK model: SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0 version: Rev 1.xx
           Bios: American Megatrends version: 1503 date: 01/11/2013
CPU:       Octa core AMD FX-8320 Eight-Core (-MCP-) cache: 16384 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm) bmips: 60684.2 
           Clock Speeds: 1: 3792.763 MHz 2: 3792.763 MHz 3: 3792.763 MHz 4: 3792.763 MHz 5: 3792.763 MHz 6: 3792.763 MHz 7: 3792.763 MHz 8: 3792.763 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA G73 [GeForce 7600 GT] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0391 
           X.Org: 1.12.4 drivers: nouveau (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1600x1200@60.0hz, 1600x1200@60.0hz 
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on NV4B GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 9.2.2 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) 
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2 chip-ID: 1002:4383 
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.9-1-amd64
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller 
           driver: r8169 ver: 2.3LK-NAPI port: b000 bus-ID: 0a:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 60:a4:4c:62:25:19
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 200.0GB (4.2% used)
           1: id: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD2000JS size: 200.0GB serial: WD-WMANL1136184 
Partition: ID: / size: 58G used: 7.8G (15%) fs: ext4 ID: swap-1 size: 8.59GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 16.8C mobo: N/A gpu: 46.0 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Info:      Processes: 197 Uptime: 25 min Memory: 733.9/15987.0MB Runlevel: 2 Gcc sys: 4.8.2 alt: 4.6/4.7 
           Client: Shell (bash 4.2.45 running in xfce4-terminal) inxi: 1.9.14
scott@test2:~/Desktop$ 
Using the Update Manager, the first step updated .... the Update Manager. No issues. Clicked the "Install" button again and started the real thing. This error(?) a large number (not counted) times, always (it seemed) in groups of 4:

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sh: 1: kde4-config: not found
Also, during what appeared to be an "update-grub" step, I got this:
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I allowed/indicated the grub update to be done on the disk (/dev/sda) rather than the other option, the partition (/dev/sda3). It continued on and when it was all finished I rebooted into the new kernel and eveything seems pretty good.

I did note, however, that the background displayed behind the logon dialog was Debian vs. SolydX.

Time for a bit more play then clonezilla this partition before I do the ddm -d thing for the Nvidia driver. More to follow :)
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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 04 Nov 2013 21:49

The "kde4-config: not found" is a theming (oxygen) thingy and can be ignored.

Your LightDM configuration have been overwritten by the update, but that's easily solved by running the updated LightDM Manager.


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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby zerozero » 04 Nov 2013 22:11

ScottQuier wrote:This error(?) a large number (not counted) times, always (it seemed) in groups of 4:
not to worry about :mrgreen: it's a consequence of using oxygen-gtk in xfce http://forums.solydxk.nl/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=856
ScottQuier wrote:I did note, however, that the background displayed behind the logon dialog was Debian vs. SolydX.
if you look at var/log/apt/term.log you have a printout of the upgrade history and can track down which config files you have chosen to "install the package maintainer's version" or "keep the local version currently installed"
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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby timber » 04 Nov 2013 22:35

Schoelje wrote:You can try to do this manually:

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sudo apt-get purge nvidia* libxvmcnvidia1
sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia*
sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install --reinstall ddm
ddm -d
This will cleanup your system, make sure you have the latest ddm, and install the drivers with ddm.
You can post back ~/ddm.log (rename to ddm.txt to attach).
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Well, cleanup went well but I didn't expect the following.
I first executed the command's above excluding the last.
Did a reboot.
Then ddm -d at command line.
In DDM ... no option for nvidia-glx driver ... :lol:
ddm.jpg
I wonder if this means that my nvidia card is no longer supported by nvidia?
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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 04 Nov 2013 22:42

I saw some errors:

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04-11-2013 14:22:28 execcmd.run                   INFO      E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
04-11-2013 14:22:28 execcmd.run                   INFO      E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
DDM couldn't install nvidia-detect because apt was locked by another process.


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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby ScottQuier » 04 Nov 2013 22:46

OK, I tried the ddm -d thing and got tired of waiting ..... So, here's what I got and how far I got after sitting and watching it do virtually nothing for 35 mintus:
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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby zerozero » 04 Nov 2013 22:48

i see those too but it's kinda weird because ddm should have checked that before, or not?
actually the command is executed

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04-11-2013 14:22:13 execcmd.run                   DEBUG     Command to execute: lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock
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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby timber » 04 Nov 2013 22:50

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dave@wolf ~ $ nvidia-detect
nvidia-detect: command not found
... guess I cleaned up a little too well I'll reinstall nvidia-detect.
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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby timber » 04 Nov 2013 22:52

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dave@wolf ~ $ nvidia-detect
Detected NVIDIA GPUs:
02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GT218M [GeForce 310M] [10de:0a75] (rev a2)
Your card is supported by the default drivers and version 304.
It is recommended to install the
    nvidia-driver
package.
dave@wolf ~ $ 
I'll re-try ddm -d now.
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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 04 Nov 2013 22:56

@ScottQuier
I can't make anything out of it then that it takes far too long to execute a simple command.
I don't think that's got to do with your card. I'm guessing perhaps your connection speed to our repositories is slow?


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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby ScottQuier » 04 Nov 2013 23:13

Schoelje wrote:@ScottQuier
I can't make anything out of it then that it takes far too long to execute a simple command.
I don't think that's got to do with your card. I'm guessing perhaps your connection speed to our repositories is slow?
No, speed is actually pretty good - time to download the entire 100's of packages for the dist-upgrade took about 5 minutes ... I wish I could remember exact numbers ... seems like ~800KB/s but it could just as easily be ~800 Kb/s. Whatever, I really, really don't think is a connect thing.

I just did the nvidia upgrade manually. Time from start to finish was

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Mon Nov  4 18:02:56 EST 2013 <-- FInish
Mon Nov  4 18:00:24 EST 2013 <-- Start

Total time: 152 seconds (see attached)

Edit To Add: I just looked at the text dump and it shows that my average download speed was 900KB/s.
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Re: UP - 31/10/2013 [TESTING]

Postby zerozero » 04 Nov 2013 23:15

Schoelje
this exposes a problem that we talked before: in some situations ddm (as before the steam installer) is painful slow and my guess is that it might have to do with the way the app(s) communicate with apt (a cache problem?)

let's take Scott's example
[there's several places where you can see abnormal delays but the last one is symptomatic]
04-11-2013 17:18:57 execcmd.run DEBUG Command to execute: apt-get -y --force-yes install linux-headers-3.10-3-amd64 build-essential nvidia-xconfig nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver nvidia-settings-legacy-304xx nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx:i386 ia32-libs
at 17h18 ddm lists the lib that has to install
04-11-2013 17:32:42 execcmd.run INFO The following NEW packages will be installed:
at 17h32 (optimistically 14min later) ddm is still elaborating the list of new packages to install (without actually starting the installation)
now, we all know how long it takes to apt to go from the first step to the second. we all can do that test:

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zerozero@home ~ $ time sudo apt-get -s install linux-headers-3.10-3-amd64 build-essential nvidia-xconfig nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver nvidia-settings-legacy-304xx nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx:i386 ia32-libs
[sudo] password for zerozero: 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
build-essential is already the newest version.
linux-headers-3.10-3-amd64 is already the newest version.
linux-headers-3.10-3-amd64 set to manually installed.
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  dragonplayer juk kdeplasma-addons libappconfig-perl libevent-2.0-5 libkdecorations4abi1
  libllvm3.2 libllvm3.2:i386 libpython3.2 libspeexdsp1:i386 plasma-containments-addons
  plasma-desktopthemes-artwork plasma-runners-addons plasma-wallpapers-addons sweeper
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following extra packages will be installed:
  glx-alternative-mesa glx-alternative-nvidia glx-diversions ia32-libs-i386:i386
  libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx-i386:i386 libjack-jackd2-0:i386
  libxvmc1:i386 libxvmcnvidia1 libxvmcnvidia1:i386 nvidia-installer-cleanup nvidia-kernel-common
  nvidia-legacy-304xx-alternative nvidia-support xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx
Suggested packages:
  nvidia-driver ia32-libs-gtk nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms:i386
  nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-source:i386 jackd2:i386
Recommended packages:
  libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx-i386 libgl1-nvidia-glx-any
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  glx-alternative-mesa glx-alternative-nvidia glx-diversions ia32-libs ia32-libs-i386:i386
  libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx:i386
  libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx-i386:i386 libjack-jackd2-0:i386 libxvmc1:i386 libxvmcnvidia1
  libxvmcnvidia1:i386 nvidia-installer-cleanup nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-legacy-304xx-alternative
  nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms nvidia-settings-legacy-304xx
  nvidia-support nvidia-xconfig xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx
0 upgraded, 21 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Inst nvidia-installer-cleanup (20130816+1 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf nvidia-installer-cleanup (20130816+1 Debian:testing [amd64])
Inst glx-diversions (0.4.1 Debian:testing [amd64])
Inst libjack-jackd2-0:i386 (1.9.9.5+20130622git7de15e7a-1 Debian:testing [i386])                     
Inst ia32-libs-i386:i386 (1:0.5 Debian:testing [i386])                                               
Inst ia32-libs (1:0.5 Debian:testing [amd64])                                                        
Inst glx-alternative-mesa (0.4.1 Debian:testing [amd64])                                             
Inst glx-alternative-nvidia (0.4.1 Debian:testing [amd64])                                           
Inst nvidia-legacy-304xx-alternative (304.108-4 Debian:testing [amd64])                              
Inst nvidia-support (20130816+1 Debian:testing [amd64])                                              
Inst libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx (304.108-4 Debian:testing [amd64])                               
Inst libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx:i386 (304.108-4 Debian:testing [i386])                           
Inst libxvmc1:i386 (2:1.0.8-1 Debian:testing [i386])                                                 
Inst libxvmcnvidia1 (304.108-4 Debian:testing [amd64])                                               
Inst libxvmcnvidia1:i386 (304.108-4 Debian:testing [i386])                                           
Inst xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx (304.108-4 Debian:testing [amd64])                       
Inst nvidia-kernel-common (20130816+1 Debian:testing [amd64])                                        
Inst nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms (304.108-4 Debian:testing [amd64])                              
Inst nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver (304.108-4 Debian:testing [amd64])                                   
Inst nvidia-settings-legacy-304xx (304.108-2 Debian:testing [amd64])                                 
Inst nvidia-xconfig (319.60-1 Debian:testing [amd64])                                                
Inst libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx-i386:i386 (304.108-4 Debian:testing [i386])                      
Conf glx-diversions (0.4.1 Debian:testing [amd64])                                                   
Conf libjack-jackd2-0:i386 (1.9.9.5+20130622git7de15e7a-1 Debian:testing [i386])                     
Conf ia32-libs-i386:i386 (1:0.5 Debian:testing [i386])
Conf ia32-libs (1:0.5 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf glx-alternative-mesa (0.4.1 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf glx-alternative-nvidia (0.4.1 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf nvidia-legacy-304xx-alternative (304.108-4 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf nvidia-support (20130816+1 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx (304.108-4 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx:i386 (304.108-4 Debian:testing [i386])
Conf libxvmc1:i386 (2:1.0.8-1 Debian:testing [i386])
Conf libxvmcnvidia1 (304.108-4 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf libxvmcnvidia1:i386 (304.108-4 Debian:testing [i386])
Conf xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx (304.108-4 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf nvidia-kernel-common (20130816+1 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms (304.108-4 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver (304.108-4 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf nvidia-settings-legacy-304xx (304.108-2 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf nvidia-xconfig (319.60-1 Debian:testing [amd64])
Conf libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx-i386:i386 (304.108-4 Debian:testing [i386])

real    0m6.187s
user    0m0.584s
sys     0m0.024s
without configuration, closer to the results Scott shows but listing all the packages to install
real 0m6.187s
user 0m0.584s
sys 0m0.024s
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