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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby grizzler » 06 Jan 2017 14:17

kurotsugi wrote:I also think that debian won't allow a disruptive package migrated into testing on a freeze period.
You'd be surprised. I just came across this thread on the developer mailing list: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2 ... 00713.html
Ouch.
luckily, nothing seems broke. all is well :3
Yes, it does look like the packages that depend on net-tools are up to date.
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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 20 Jan 2017 02:35

I tried to create a list of problems (and potential problems) on current testing. it might be usefull to prepare our next stable
- old intel driver are gone https://forum.siduction.org/index.php?P ... pic=6317.0
- virtualbox are gone
- gstreamer 0.10 are gone and completely replaced by v1.0
it's obvious that the list isn't completed yet. please feel free to discuss/suggest about it. when the list is near complete I'll create a different thread so that we could focused on fixing the issues.

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby grizzler » 20 Jan 2017 10:31

The virtualbox and gstreamer issues are issues 17 and 6 in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=78&t=5961
The intel driver issue never ended up in that thread. Does the switch from the 2.21.15 version to 2.99.917 present a serious problem for many users?
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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 21 Jan 2017 02:12

Currently running testing with these specs.
I have held back my kernel because my video card won't support Dual Monitors properly with a newer kernel.

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dcihon@solydk64ee:/usr/share/themes$ screenfetch
                             dcihon@solydk64ee
                             OS: Unknown 9 solydxk
                             Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.6.0-1-amd64
         #####               Uptime: 13h 16m
        #######              Packages: Unknown
        ##O#O##              Shell: bash 4.4.5
        #######              Resolution: 3840x1080
      ###########            DE: KDE5
     #############           WM: KWin
    ###############          GTK Theme: xfce-clearlooks-grey [GTK2/3]
    ################         Icon Theme: gnome
   #################         Font: Arial Regular
 #####################       CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 CPU @ 4GHz
 #####################       GPU: Gallium 0.4 on AMD BONAIRE (DRM 2.43.0 / 4.6.0-1-amd64, LLVM 3.9.1)
   #################         RAM: 1706MiB / 15994MiB


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 21 Jan 2017 16:31

Just updated kernel today.
So far all is well

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dcihon@solydk64ee:/$ uname -a
Linux solydk64ee 4.8.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.8.15-2 (2017-01-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux
A lot of KDE5 updates today.


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 23 Jan 2017 01:15

The intel driver issue never ended up in that thread. Does the switch from the 2.21.15 version to 2.99.917 present a serious problem for many users?

luckily, no. perhaps because most of the enthusiast seems using relatively new intel and it works well with the new driver. but I listed it because the stable user have different hardware configuration.

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby grizzler » 25 Jan 2017 21:49

Kernel 4.9 arrived in Testing. No issues so far.
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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 26 Jan 2017 03:01

Yes no issues. Even working with my AMD Graphics Card

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Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Tobago PRO [Radeon R7 360 / R9 360 OEM]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.0 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD BONAIRE (DRM 2.46.0 / 4.8.0-2-amd64, LLVM 3.9.1)
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.3


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 26 Jan 2017 06:33

yep no problem so far...in fact, the power usage in 4.9 is superb. I average power consumption, 8-9 watts. though, I disabled pstate due to power issue. the cpu acpi driver seems not changed much so pstate user should enjoy better power consumption on pstate too.

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby SolydForEver » 29 Jan 2017 05:58

Frank, just read this post and I have found the following issues with SolydK-EE:
  • Installer shows no fields to enter data like name, username, etc. You just have to guess where to click the mouse "to be inside the field"
  • Adding new wallpaper in folder view settings gives message: Some categories are missing. New wallpapers can not be downloaded.
  • Top line in list of to be updated packages in update-manager is half visible
  • At the end of installing the updates I need to click twice on the OK button
  • System-settings: after changing items in Appearance --> Application Style the program crashes. Same in Workspace --> Desktop Behavior. This is a KDE item since it also does this in different distro's.
Are these issues you dealt with, or are they true KDE issues, or are they still in the new ISO?

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby grizzler » 29 Jan 2017 10:45

I hate KDE. And that's putting it mildly. I can't even write what I think about its developers without getting kicked off this forum.
SolydForEver wrote:Installer shows no fields to enter data like name, username, etc. You just have to guess where to click the mouse "to be inside the field"
That's a theme issue. I had planned to work around that like I did with the SolydX EE ISOs, but I'm getting nowhere fast with the first SolydK EE ISO I just built. I haven't looked at KDE 5 at all since July, in the hope that when I came back to it, it would have improved. It hasn't. I'm not even getting a visible desktop background now. Just pitch black with a panel beneath it.
When I install a theme that is known to work and select Apply in the relevant System Settings window, it doesn't. Nothing changes. This junk is unuseable.

I'll have another go at figuring out what's wrong this time later today. Right now I need a break.
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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby SolydForEver » 29 Jan 2017 12:15

grizzler wrote:I hate KDE. And that's putting it mildly. I can't even write what I think about its developers without getting kicked off this forum.
From a programmers view I don't know how well KDE is programmed, but from a user's view I can only say it is almost perfect. I use it for around 6 years now, I would think, and yes there have been (and still are) some problems but they can't stand in the shade of everything which does work, works great and looks so good. It is an amazing DE which you can setup just the way you like it. I have tried, in VM's, other distro's with other DE's and I simply can not get used to them. They are either dull, boring, like XFCE and Cinnamon and Mate, or simply unusable like Gnome and Unity. no, when the last two were born it was time for me to chose something else and that else was KDE. Made the right decision.

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 29 Jan 2017 13:17

To all on the Plasma KDE 5:
I have been using EE with KDE all this time. There definitely some issues with it right now. It has gotten better though.
The problem I have is where to go to see the list of known bugs at on debian KDE 5. If it is known bug I can live with that.
Also we are getting close to a stable of release of Debian 9 and I wonder what Debian will release as stable for KDE. If they think these bugs are ok to release with?
I have done some google searches and I can't seem to find much talk about it.
I am going to follow this post with another one on a problem I am having in EE with autofs.
Thanks for reading.


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 29 Jan 2017 13:24

Autofs issue:
I can't seem to get it to show the share on my system. I will submit the following information to help.
I have a debian server setup on my network. It has the samba share of: //192.168.1.20/servermusic
Here are the contents of my autofs files:
I have a "auto.master.d" folder
In that folder I have 2 files:
auto.cifs.music file:

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servermusic   -fstype-cifs,credentials=/root/.mnt.credentials,rw,iocharset=utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000,_netdev      ://192.168.1.20/servermusic
cifs.autofs file

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/home/dcihon/mnt/servermusic    /etc/auto.master.d/auto.cifs.music --timeout=60 --ghost 
and .mnt.credentials file in /root

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username=dcihon
password=xxxxxxxx
I don't see anything wrong but it is not showing the folder on my system.


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 29 Jan 2017 13:34

Did you follow this tutorial?
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4512


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 29 Jan 2017 13:45

I may have messed something up.
I just tried to reinstall and here is the message I have:

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root@solydk64ee etc # apt-get install --reinstall autofs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B/496 kB of archives.
After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used.
(Reading database ... 340927 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../autofs_5.1.2-1_amd64.deb ...
invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of stop.
Unpacking autofs (5.1.2-1) over (5.1.2-1) ...
Setting up autofs (5.1.2-1) ...
Not replacing deleted config file /etc/auto.master
Not replacing deleted config file /etc/autofs.conf
update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of start.
Processing triggers for systemd (232-14) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ...


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby grizzler » 29 Jan 2017 20:29

SolydForEver wrote:From a programmers view I don't know how well KDE is programmed
It's not about their programming skills. It's about their attitude to properly documenting what they change. Because they don't.

When I needed to figure out what to change to move the ISOs from KDE 4 to 5, I was more than a little annoyed that all the docs in their 'Techbase wiki' still described the old setup. Even pages marked 'Plasma 5' had only references to file locations that simply weren't valid for Plasma 5. It took me ages to scrape the necessary info from all over the place - everywhere except the 'official' KDE docs. This is no fun if the subject you're dealing with basically doesn't interest you in the slightest.

Today I read in some report of a KDE developer meeting held around the end of March 2016, that they finally realised they had to do something about their docs and they were actually going to do so. So I went to the pages I looked at before and they still had the same errors. Not surprising, as most of them were last updated early March 2016 or before.

So what broke the ISOs? I haven't got a clue and no official documentation to read to figure it out. And quite frankly, I have better things to do with my time.
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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 29 Jan 2017 21:28

I found the answer to my autofs reinstall:
FYI

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root@solydk64ee etc # UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=1 apt-get --reinstall install autofs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  autofs
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B/496 kB of archives.
After this operation, 3,024 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Retrieving bug reports... Done
Parsing Found/Fixed information... Done
Selecting previously unselected package autofs.
(Reading database ... 341027 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../autofs_5.1.2-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking autofs (5.1.2-1) ...
Setting up autofs (5.1.2-1) ...

Creating config file /etc/auto.master with new version

Creating config file /etc/auto.net with new version

Creating config file /etc/auto.misc with new version

Creating config file /etc/auto.smb with new version

Recreating deleted config file /etc/autofs.conf with new version, as asked

Creating config file /etc/default/autofs with new version
Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/autofs.service → /lib/systemd/system/autofs.service.
update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
invoke-rc.d: policy-rc.d denied execution of start.
Processing triggers for systemd (232-14) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ...


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 31 Jan 2017 05:27

today I got this

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grave bugs of os-prober (1.71 -> 1.73) <Outstanding>
 b1 - #853277 - os-prober: triggers hang on default install with unencrypted LVM
serious bugs of gcc-6 (6.2.1-5 -> 6.3.0-5) <Outstanding>
 b2 - #814978 - gcc-6(+gcc-5): gnat paths are wrong due to ada-gcc-name.diff
serious bugs of xsane (0.999-3+b1 -> 0.999-4) <Resolved in some Version>
 b3 - #852840 - xsane: FTBFS against libsane-dev 1.0.25-3 - sane-config not found (Fixed: xsane/0.999-5)
Summary:
 gcc-6(1 bug), xsane(1 bug), os-prober(1 bug)

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 22 Feb 2017 07:32

Image
the RC bugs decreased from ~600 to ~200 in February. stretch is really close :3


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