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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 31 Dec 2015 14:57

This is happening on my testing machine when doing a dist-upgrade:

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/sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liblmdb.so.0 is not a symbolic link
It is explained here:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo ... bug=808785

Nothing to worry about for me.


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby joni1101 » 06 Jan 2016 16:41

Had some issues with SolkdK stable (kde wouldn't start with any user after updating backported packages ) so I upgraded to testing hoping that it would overwrite the corrupted files/config.

the update succeeded and KDE works;
  • Power management, sleep when idle etc. not implemented?
    Ksnapshot broken?
    SolydK window decorations & styles are broken
I changed to solydkee-info but left all other solyd pkgs from jessie installed. Is that a source of problems?

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 06 Jan 2016 17:15

it would be easier to analyze the problem if you show us the apt logs. I'm quite sure plasma 5 is quite ready for daily use so I think those problem arise from either misconfigured system or a broken migration between jessie to stretch. I'm not sure if the migration route between KDE4 and plasma is safe. a quick check won't hurt

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sudo dpkg --configure -a
sudo apt-get -f install
- power management issue: all power management related stuff is now directly handled by systemd using upower. it means that as long as your system is running then problem is on the front-end. creating a new config file on the front end might solve this issue.
- broken window decoration issue. AFAIK it's known issue in plasma 5. changing to the default theme might work. well...at least partially.
- ksnapshot issue. so sorry but I'm giving up on this one since I'm not plasma guy.

EDIT: it's a late advice but instead of jumping into testing, return to a pure stable should be easier and safer if you were on stable+backport. you can do that by,
1. create a new apt pinning, contain:

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Package: *
Pin: release a=stable
Pin-Priority: 1001
2. remove all repo except stable branch
3. do

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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
it will downgrade all packages so that you'll get a pristine debian stable system. later you can use backport again (when it becomes stable). you can also use the apt-pinning to downgrade single package. for an example, when package A from backport broken, instead of downgrading all the package, you can selectively downgrade A.

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Package: A
Pin: release a=stable
Pin-Priority: 1001
haven't really tried it yet since I never use stable but theorically it should work. on worst case you'll only need to add apt pinning for A and all related dependencies.

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby joni1101 » 06 Jan 2016 20:34

Thanks for your reply.

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sudo dpkg --configure -a 
sudo apt-get -f install  
did not yield anything -- that is all packages are configured and there are no broken packages.

I installed mate to see if it was a plasma issue - and mate didn't even start. I got infinite windows opening right after log-in and high-cpu-usage. Here is xsession-errors for the mate session . Here is .xsession-errors for the plasma session .

Here is the apt INSTALL history and the apt REMOVE history and the apt UPGRADE history and for convenience dpkg --get-selections. The SYSLOG while trying to open a mate session .

--- EDIT --- Jan 07

I was able to get kde-plasma 5 to run (more or less) smoothly by removing a bunch of packages that were causing trouble. Many of Arjen's pkgs for debian stable break testing - so I removed most of them and replaced them as follows by this diff file:
autoconf-archive install
docbook install
docbook-dsssl install
docbook-to-man install
enigmail install
filelight install
gnome-common install
gtk-doc-tools install
highlight install
highlight-common install
hunspell-en-us install
ibus-wayland install
icedove install
jade install
kcolorchooser install
kde-config-cron install
kde-config-sddm install
kde-config-systemd install
kdeadmin install
kdegraphics install
kdegraphics-thumbnailers install
kdenetwork install
kgamma5 install
kolourpaint4 install
kpart5-kompare install
kruler install
kstars install
kstars-data install
kwayland-integration:amd64 install
kwin-wayland install
kwin-wayland-backend-drm install
kwin-wayland-backend-wayland install
kwin-wayland-backend-x11 install
libcfitsio2:amd64 install
libindi-data install
libindi1:amd64 install
libkf5plotting5:amd64 install
libkf5solid-bin install
libkf5su-bin install
libkf5unitconversion-data install
libkf5unitconversion5:amd64 install
libkomparediff2-5:amd64 install
libkompareinterface5:amd64 install
liblightdm-qt-3-0 install
libnova-0.14-0:amd64 install
libreoffice-style-breeze install
libwcs5:amd64 install
lightdm-kde-greeter install
mate-common install
network-manager-openconnect install
openconnect install
plasma-runners-addons install
plasma-workspace-wayland install
sddm install
sddm-theme-breeze install
solydkee-info install
svgpart install
sweeper install
---------------------------------------------------
evolvere-icon-theme-additional remove
evolvere-icon-theme-black-folders remove
evolvere-icon-theme-blue-folders remove
evolvere-icon-theme-vivid-sunken remove
kaddressbook remove
knotes remove
libbaloocore4 remove
libkfilemetadata4 remove
libnoteshared4 remove
libqtgstreamer-1.0-0:amd64 remove
libqtgstreamerutils-1.0-0:amd64 remove
libsexy2 remove
libsgutils2-2 remove
libx86emu1:amd64 remove
solydk-info remove
solydxk-mozilla-evolvere-icon-theme remove

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 07 Jan 2016 19:05

intel's pstate seems broken on kernel 4.3. on high load the the cpu freq goes up and stay there forever.

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 11 Jan 2016 12:40

Got this with dist-upgrade this morning.

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kbd (2.0.3-2) unstable; urgency=medium

  The kbd init script is no longer supported. If configuration in
  /etc/kbd/config and /etc/kbd/remap is unmodified there will be an
  attempt to automatically clean up those files as well as the
  /etc/init.d/kbd init script on upgrades, if not THEY ARE LEFT IN PLACE
  and considered owned by the local admin.

  Most people probably use console-setup to configure their console, but
  this is not a requirement on Debian. We prefer always having something
  arond that configures the console which is why we don't
  unconditionally drop the above files.

  You can use the following command to check if you have console-setup
  installed: dpkg-query -s console-setup

 If it says "...is not installed..." you might want to start using
  console-setup by installing it: apt-get install console-setup

  Unless you know you want to keep using the obsolete init script and
  maintain it yourself you're recommended to make sure they are removed
  using the following commands:
  rm -f /etc/init.d/kbd /etc/kbd/config /etc/kbd/remap && rmdir /etc/kbd
  update-rc.d -f kbd remove

 -- Andreas Henriksson <andreas@fatal.se>  Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:55:55 +0100



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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby joni1101 » 11 Jan 2016 18:37

that change came with an update made to testing yesterday.
I have been on testing for a while and the script automatically did what is suggested by your output. I have no problems.

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 11 Jan 2016 20:31

Kbd was already obsolete on jessie. The package is a dummy package created solely to satisfy dependencies of other packages. Nothing to worry about it :3

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby belze » 16 Jan 2016 12:18

apt will soon hit testing.
changelog
thanks to this siduction's forum post (thx devil, again) one could get informed about this *bugfix*

quoting devil's post
Apt 1.2, bound to hit Unstable tomorrow, has completion for apt. Also, using apt will from here on remove debs from /var/cache/apt/archives after the install is done (can be overriden). apt-get will keep debs, as it did up to now.

greetz
devil
Michael Vogt introduced this change
Add new APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages option (Closes: #160743)
using stable this should really be a not so important change. Using testing/sid we NEED to know if our local apt archive is deleted! SO BE CAREFUL!


As a side note i can say i'm glad that with apt 1.2 a new bash completion for it will arrive.
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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby Ghstryder » 16 Jan 2016 21:04

apt (1.2~exp1) experimental; urgency=medium

[ Automatic removal of debs after install ]
After packages are successfully installed by apt(8),
the corresponding .deb package files will be
removed from the /var/cache/apt/archives cache directory.

This can be changed by setting the apt configuration option
"APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages" to "true". E.g:

# echo 'APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "true";' \
> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01keep-debs

Please note that the behavior of apt-get is unchanged. The
downloaded debs will be kept in the cache directory after they
are installed.

[ Compressed indices ]
If you use Acquire::gzipIndexes, or any other compressed index targets,
those will now be compressed with the fastest supported algorithm,
currently lz4.

-- Michael Vogt <mvo@debian.org> Tue, 05 Jan 2016 19:22:16 +0100

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby belze » 17 Jan 2016 00:48

Ghstryder wrote:
apt (1.2~exp1) experimental; urgency=medium

[ Automatic removal of debs after install ]
After packages are successfully installed by apt(8),
the corresponding .deb package files will be
removed from the /var/cache/apt/archives cache directory.

This can be changed by setting the apt configuration option
"APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages" to "true". E.g:

# echo 'APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "true";' \
> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01keep-debs

Please note that the behavior of apt-get is unchanged. The
downloaded debs will be kept in the cache directory after they
are installed.


[ Compressed indices ]
If you use Acquire::gzipIndexes, or any other compressed index targets,
those will now be compressed with the fastest supported algorithm,
currently lz4.

-- Michael Vogt <mvo@debian.org> Tue, 05 Jan 2016 19:22:16 +0100
you're right, apt-get will still work fine. I'm getting more confident using apt anyway, so if someone else is doing the same just be careful. or use apt-get.
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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 17 Jan 2016 14:43

I might be wrong but solydxk have it's own 'apt' command which inherited from mint (i recall it was a python script and actually works as apt-get front-end). I forgot which package contain this script but as long as you have it you won't affected by this issue.

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby grizzler » 17 Jan 2016 15:41

Unfortunately, you will. Recent versions of this script use /usr/bin/apt instead of apt-get for some of its functions (if /usr/bin/apt is available). I'm not sure why this was changed or whether that change was a good idea...

The script is provided by solydxk-system, by the way.
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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 17 Jan 2016 17:16

I am still learning this stuff and I have been using Linux since first starting with Mandriva.
I am still confused on apt vs apt-get and aptitude even when I read all the information out there about it.
When to use apt?
When to use aptitude?
When to use apt-get?
What I have gathered is use apt-get to be safe.
Use aptitude when needing to solve an apt-get problem.
And apt is the package that all the others are built on.


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 17 Jan 2016 19:02

our apt command is a front-end of debian's apt with more functionality. (note: here, by debian's apt I mean, apt packages. apt packages contain several apt-foo commands). for an instance, on common debian you do

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apt-get update #to update the package cache
apt-cache policy foo #to check certain package version on every debian branch
apt-cache show foo #to see certain package description
...etc. 
you'll see that on debian you use different command for different function 'apt-get // apt-cache // apt-else'. it would be hard to remember every each command so we create our own 'apt' command which will centralize every apt related commands. we also add more functionality into our apt command.

aptitude is a smarter apt with GUI-ish interface and more complex algorithm to solve dependecies. it also use centralized command to do stuff (i.e: you only use singgle 'aptitude' command instead of multiple 'aptitude-foo' commands)

later, debian also adopted our approach to centralize the command into single command 'apt'. it's the apt we've discussed earlier. (honestly I'm not sure which one is first but our apt is lot more mature and more complex than debian's so I assume we were first). debian seems focused to centralized the apt-foo commands into single apt command so their functionality is actually more or less same with apt-get // apt-cache // or apt-else. somehow I think when apt have matured they will remove all apt-foo command and merge all the functionality into single 'apt' command because apt is a front end of dpkg. having a front end of another front end doesn't sounds good, especially when you developed both of them and you put them into single command.

to summarize:
- our apt is front end of various apt-related program which simplifies the command usage and add more functionality. it's not an actual program.
- debian's apt (apt command) is centralized interface of various apt-foo command.
- aptitude is smarter version debian's apt.

there's no need to switching between them because they're more or less same. personally I like aptitude because it has more functionality but using the more familiar 'apt-get' will get the job done too.
Unfortunately, you will. Recent versions of this script use /usr/bin/apt instead of apt-get for some of its functions (if /usr/bin/apt is available). I'm not sure why this was changed or whether that change was a good idea...
IMO there's no actual damage to the user so unless someone complained about this issue we can keep our script that way. not having apt cache means user will got more free disk space (my cache usually takes ~1.5 gb). I think lot of user will love this 'feature'.

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 02 Feb 2016 12:15

New update this morning:
I have an nvidia card

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nvidia-graphics-drivers (352.55-1) experimental; urgency=medium

  The NVIDIA driver now automatically integrates with the Xorg configuration.
  Therefore it is no longer necessary to manually create an xorg.conf to
  enable it.

 -- Andreas Beckmann <anbe@debian.org>  Fri, 16 Oct 2015 23:41:50 +0200

nvidia-graphics-drivers (343.22-1) experimental; urgency=medium

  LEGACY GPUs: If you have a GeForce 8xxx, GeForce 9xxx, GeForce 2xx/3xx,
  GeForce 405, GeForce G 1xx/2xx, GeForce GT 1xx/2xx/3xx, GeForce GT 415,
  GeForce GTS 1xx/2xx/3xx, GeForce GTX 2xx, ION/ION 2/ION VGA/ION LE VGA,
  NVS 300/2100/3100/5100, Quadro 400, Quadro CX, Quadro FX (any model),
  Quadro NVS 130/135/140/150/160/290/295/320/420/450, Quadro Plex, Quadro VX,
  Tesla C870/C1060/M1060, nforce 7xx, i.e., any GPU based on the C77/C78/C79,
  G80/G84/G86/G92/G94/G96/G98, GT200/GT215/GT216/GT218, ION VGA, or
  MCP79/MCP7A/MCP89 chips or a variant thereof (that is anything predating
  the Fermi architecture),
  DO NOT INSTALL THIS RELEASE!!!
  Use the nvidia-legacy-340xx-driver, nvidia-legacy-340xx-kernel-dkms
  packages instead.

 -- Andreas Beckmann <anbe@debian.org>  Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:14:53 +0200


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 24 Feb 2016 19:45

the first part could be ignored since we're using grub but the second part might relevant for some of us.

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critical bugs of initramfs-tools (0.120 -> 0.123) <Outstanding>
 b1 - #815555 - initramfs-tools: raid1 boot with lilo fails on 0.123 with cant find root in fstab
grave bugs of upower (0.99.3-1+b3 -> 0.99.4-1) <Resolved in some Version>
 b2 - #815590 - upowerd: can be crashed easily with upower -d (Fixed: upower/0.99.4-2)
Summary:
 initramfs-tools(1 bug), upower(1 bug)
Are you sure you want to install/upgrade the above packages? [Y/n/?/...]
apart from them, there's also a report new initramfs-tools broke on sid but based on the report I highly doubt that it is a replicable issue.
http://forum.siduction.org/index.php?topic=6085.0

anyway, I noticed that we got wine 1.9 in testing now. does that means we'll got new wine for every 2 weeks?


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby grizzler » 04 Mar 2016 18:56

Don't forget to read this one as well :lol: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-a ... 00001.html
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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 04 Mar 2016 20:26

well spotted one :3

I didn't realize it until you pointed it. I'm a lil bit curious about the gap between soft and full freeze. IIRC they usually have longer gap to accomodate lot of "stuffs". perhaps they want a fast "stretch" release. I think it depends on how will they play their cards but based on the current situation, I'd say it will be a quite hectic freeze period. it will be interesting to watch how things are going :3


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