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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 23 Dec 2016 01:27

apparently oracle decided to resist. user could use this repo to install virtualbox on stretch

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deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch contrib
though, user need to install the key manually

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curl -O https://www.virtualbox.org/download/oracle_vbox_2016.asc
sudo apt-key add oracle_vbox_2016.asc

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 23 Dec 2016 08:49

Is it just about these two files?
http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualb ... _amd64.deb
http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualb ... h_i386.deb

If so, I could probably add them to our own repository.


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 23 Dec 2016 10:43

you can simulate the installation to see whether if virtualbox need any external packages. AFAIK, it is. virtualbox consist of several parts so I think (if it possible) we need to copy the entire repo content relater to VB.

anyway, at this time _I think_ it's enough to put notice that VB is died on testing and user could install it from oracle. create a third party repo or copy oracle packages is an obvious an relatively easy option but _I think_ we need to wait and see what will happened. reason:
1. creating 3rd party repo/copy oracle's repo basicly means we're surrender to oracle's policy. it's the reason why debian people haven't create them yet.
2. I don't know whether if we are allowed to do that. VB is only partially open source so we might not allowed to copy oracle's package into our repo.
3. if we copy oracle's packages, people won't notice how bad oracle policy is.

please note that what I said above are my personal opinion. please feel free to disagree with me. this issue will need careful planning so it should better if we could get many input (advices, suggestions, opinions etc).

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby Zill » 23 Dec 2016 11:59

Just a thought... Would it be possible for Debian/SolydXK to have a packaged script, similar to FlashPlayer and PepperFlashPlayer, that just downloads and installs the current VB direct from Oracle?

This solution should be compliant with Oracle's licensing as no Oracle software would need to be on a third-party server. The obvious downside is that some work will need to be done to ensure VB is kept synchronised with other Debian/SolydXK package versions for a particular release. :?

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby grizzler » 23 Dec 2016 13:10

Let's not make this more complicated than necessary. If an actual virtualbox repository exists, why would we want to copy files from there to another repository or create a script to download files? Just add a .list file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and be done with it. That would also make it much more clear we're dealing with something not provided by us or Debian.

But first let's wait a while to see how things develop. Stretch isn't going stable yet...
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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby grizzler » 23 Dec 2016 13:19

kurotsugi wrote:you can simulate the installation to see whether if virtualbox need any external packages. AFAIK, it is. virtualbox consist of several parts so I think (if it possible) we need to copy the entire repo content relater to VB.
My first impression is that it's one complete package. The Packages list doesn't mention any other vbox packages as dependencies. I'll run some tests later (on another machine, which I have to completely install first, so this may be quite a bit later...).
anyway, at this time _I think_ it's enough to put notice that VB is died on testing and user could install it from oracle.
That's my preference as well.
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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby xendistar » 23 Dec 2016 14:29

If I have VB installed already, do I need to uninstall VB before adding the VB\Oracle repo or not?

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 23 Dec 2016 21:38

that's good to hear. IIRC debian separate VB into virtualbox (the binary files), virtualbox-qt (the gui interface), and others (guest iso, extension pack, plugin, etc). did that mean oracle put everything in one package?

@xendistar: AFAIK oracle's VB cannot used along with debian's. the old VB will automatically removed. though, there's no harm removing them manually if you worry about it.

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby xendistar » 24 Dec 2016 09:00

kurotsugi wrote:<snip>
@xendistar: AFAIK oracle's VB cannot used along with debian's. the old VB will automatically removed. though, there's no harm removing them manually if you worry about it.
I added the Oracle repo and did a sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and no new updates were found (I had previously run the command before adding the oracle repo to get all the Debian\solydxk updates). So I uninstalled the Debian version and then ran the command again and that installed the latest Oracle version 5.1.2

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 29 Dec 2016 12:02

Somehow I lost my network interface in EE.
Not sure how to get it back. Going to use Google to do some research.


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 30 Dec 2016 02:33

Ok I fixed my problem.
Not sure what happened.
I think in the process of fixing the problem I caused more of a problem.
I had to set a static IP address in /etc/network/interfaces
I had to set nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf
Now it is working.
I am going to remove the static IP address I added and see what happens.


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 30 Dec 2016 06:46

IIRC we got several network components update in this week. there were also some minor glitch in my system (wifi connected but the network icon show it was disconnected) but after reboot everything seems fine. my personal experience tell me that I must do network related setting on NM interface to avoid bad things. the only thing I do on terminal is adding DNS.

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 30 Dec 2016 11:26

Hey guys this is my EE sources.list file.
Does it look alright.
I noticed the line with httpredir ends up everytime I run it going to a different repository for updates.
Anyone know if this is a good way to go or should I stick to fixed repository?

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deb http://repository.solydxk.com solydxk main upstream import
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free



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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 30 Dec 2016 12:23

that's exactly how httpredir work. there's no fixed repository. the repo will be selected from the available repos in your region as the optimum/fastest repo. well...at least...theorically. the algorithm isn't perfect but the selected repo should be among middle-upper tier repo in your region. grizzler and I are using it and quite satisfied with the performance. I have to admit that there were some glitches in the past but in these days it worked as expected.

the repo seems fine for me except the last part. AFAIK the security repo is empty and IIRC not used in the last freeze. though, there's no harm for having it. theorically it will be used during freeze for security updates but the procedure is complicated so the package manager prefer different route (via unstable as usual or another route)

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby grizzler » 05 Jan 2017 17:48

Today I did apt hold dirmngr gnupg gpgv because of this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo ... bug=849845

Also, be aware of this:

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net-tools (1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1) unstable; urgency=medium

  After 15 years without upstream development, net-tools is being worked on
  again, fixing many long-standing issues.

  The bad news is that the output of many commands has changed, and it is sure
  to break scripts that relied on parsing it.
  
  If you have customs scripts that use any of these commands, please make sure
  they still work after this upgrade:

    netstat, ifconfig, ipmaddr, iptunnel, mii-tool, nameif, plipconfig, rarp,
    route, slattach, arp.

  Apologies in advance for the trouble that this may cause, but maintaining a
  separate version of net-tools just to keep the old format is something I am
  not able to do.

 -- Martín Ferrari <tincho@debian.org>  Mon, 26 Dec 2016 05:29:25 +0000
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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 05 Jan 2017 20:25

I've read somewhere that only ifupdown is using net-tools. in my system no one seems depends on ifupdown (today aptitude recommend to remove it due to this reason) so we might not affected by this issue. it's quite hectic here so I haven't investigated this issue deeper yet. please correct me if I'm wrong.

I haven't updated my system due to dirmngr issue but perhaps I'll do that in this weekend.

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 06 Jan 2017 03:44

From the Debain Release page:
https://release.debian.org/

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Key release dates

    [2016-Nov-05] Transition freeze
    [2016-Dec-05] Mandatory 10-day migrations
    [2017-Jan-05] Soft freeze (no new packages, no re-entry, 10-day migrations)
    [2017-Feb-05] Full freeze

As always, Debian 9 "Stretch" will be released "when it's ready".


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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 06 Jan 2017 07:14

the dirmngr issue seems not affecting majority for "common" user so it should be safe to update it. though, you might not able to download gnupg keys from server until next update. "common" user rarely deal with this gnupg keys so they won't notice it anyway. as for net-tools, the package who depends on it are

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>
  Replaces: netbase
kurotsugi@kurozv3:~$ apt-cache rdepends net-tools
net-tools
Reverse Depends:
  solydxk-conky
    net-tools:i386
 |wicd-daemon
    net-tools:i386
 |wicd-daemon
    net-tools:i386
  whereami
    net-tools:i386
  watcher-api
    net-tools:i386
  waagent
    net-tools:i386
  vpnc-scripts
    net-tools:i386
  vblade-persist
    net-tools:i386
  util-vserver
    net-tools:i386
  tntnet
    net-tools:i386
  tiger
    net-tools:i386
  tcllib
    net-tools:i386
  tahoe-lafs
    net-tools:i386
  systraq
    net-tools:i386
  systemtap-server
    net-tools:i386
  sugar-presence-service-0.88
    net-tools:i386
  sugar-presence-service
    net-tools:i386
  sugar-log-activity
    net-tools:i386
  snort
    net-tools:i386
  sitesummary
    net-tools:i386
 |servefile
    net-tools:i386
  rkhunter
    net-tools:i386
  libpython3.5-testsuite
    net-tools:i386
  postgresql-server-dev-all
    net-tools:i386
  portsentry
    net-tools:i386
  pmacct
    net-tools:i386
 |pbuilder
    net-tools:i386
  oidentd
    net-tools:i386
  munin-node
    net-tools:i386
  miniupnpd
    net-tools:i386
  libsys-hostip-perl
    net-tools:i386
 |libnet-libdnet6-perl
    net-tools:i386
  libnet-ifconfig-wrapper-perl
    net-tools:i386
  guestfsd
    net-tools:i386
  laptop-mode-tools
    net-tools:i386
  kvpnc
    net-tools:i386
  irssi-scripts
    net-tools:i386
  inxi
    net-tools:i386
  ifupdown-extra
    net-tools:i386
  ifenslave
    net-tools:i386
  gnome-nettool
    net-tools:i386
  freedombox-setup
    net-tools:i386
  facter
    net-tools:i386
  elog
    net-tools:i386
  dyndns
    net-tools:i386
  dtc-xen
    net-tools:i386
  diaspora-common
    net-tools:i386
  dhcp-probe
    net-tools:i386
  debian-edu-config
    net-tools:i386
  chkrootkit
    net-tools:i386
  bitlbee-common
    net-tools:i386
  bind9
    net-tools:i386
  argus-server
    net-tools:i386
it seems that net-tools doesn't affect the network functionality unless you're a vpn user. if I read it correctly, this issue doesn't affect stretch much because stretch is on freeze period (we will using the old net-tools on stretch) but user might need to be carefull on next debian testing.

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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby grizzler » 06 Jan 2017 12:21

kurotsugi wrote:...(we will using the old net-tools on stretch)...
Nope. The new set migrated to testing yesterday. That's why I mentioned it. I got an apt-listchanges warning.

The dirmngr issue may not affect many ordinary users, it can be a pain if you need to get a key. If I read the bug report thread correctly, there may be a fix available shortly. I prefer to keep the previous version until that has migrated.
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Re: Breakages and News tracking Debian Testing

Postby kurotsugi » 06 Jan 2017 14:06

my bad. the version name made me think that this net-tools was made based on 16 Nov 2016 git (i.e: before that major changes) and the message were only an advance warning and/or message for those experimental user so that they'll properly check those packages. given that many packages depend on net-tools, I also think that debian won't allow a disruptive package migrated into testing on a freeze period.

luckily, nothing seems broke. all is well :3


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