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Re: Need help testing

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 23 Jun 2014 11:42

Okay, I'm now uploading all HE editions to http://downloads.solydxk.nl/dev
If you see the md5sum file of the ISO, you can safely download that ISO.

These are the changes:
  • Removed deb-multimedia, and downgraded packages where needed.
  • Removed kdenext, and KDE upgraded to version 4.13.1.
  • KDM has been replaced by LightDM.
  • All using systemd now.
We will continue maintaining the deb-multimedia mirror, but it's not going to be part of future ISOs anymore.
We also know now that upgrading KDE will not pose any problems anymore.

Could you test these ISOs?
  • Booting: errors, speed, speed improvements?
  • LightDM in SolydK: does it behave as expected?
  • Software still functioning as expected?
Another thing: should I implement systemd for the BEs (and LightDM for SolydK BE)?


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Re: Need help testing

Postby wayne » 23 Jun 2014 11:48

something is odd.... third line, size of iso 163M??

[ ] solydk32_201406.iso 23-Jun-2014 04:37 1.6G
[ ] solydk32_201406.iso.md5sum 23-Jun-2014 04:37 48
[ ] solydk64_201406.iso 23-Jun-2014 04:46 163M

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Re: Need help testing

Postby ScottQuier » 23 Jun 2014 11:48

Schoelje wrote: Another thing: should I implement systemd for the BEs (and LightDM for SolydK BE)?
With respect to systemd, I would think not. BE is advertised as tracking Debian Stable. Stable does not, I believe, implement systemd. BE implementing sytemd, I believe, would cause quite a bit of confusion in the community.

On the other hand, it might reduce the different types of problems that have to be solved for the community. But, I don't think this out-weighs the confusion factor.
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Re: Need help testing

Postby ScottQuier » 23 Jun 2014 11:50

wayne wrote:something is odd.... third line, size of iso 163M??

[ ] solydk32_201406.iso 23-Jun-2014 04:37 1.6G
[ ] solydk32_201406.iso.md5sum 23-Jun-2014 04:37 48
[ ] solydk64_201406.iso 23-Jun-2014 04:46 163M
Cause it's not done yet! It won't be finished uploading until you see the corresponding md5sum file.
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Re: Need help testing

Postby jsalpha2 » 23 Jun 2014 11:51

This does not affect Xfce users at all?

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Re: Need help testing

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 23 Jun 2014 11:55

jsalpha2 wrote:This does not affect Xfce users at all?
Yes, I think systemd does also affect SolydX users.


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Re: Need help testing

Postby jsalpha2 » 23 Jun 2014 12:10

I mean, there is no Xfce version needing to be tested? I am downloading the KDE ones but I know nothing about KDE.

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Re: Need help testing

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 23 Jun 2014 12:18

jsalpha2 wrote:I mean, there is no Xfce version needing to be tested? I am downloading the KDE ones but I know nothing about KDE.
All versions are now being uploaded.

Remember: these are not the final ISOs!
These are for testing only, and use an altered sources.list file.


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Re: Need help testing

Postby ScottQuier » 23 Jun 2014 12:37

I'll be testing the K64 on bare metal. I'll be downloading that as soon as the md5sum file appears. I'll be testing the install in a couple of hours - have to go exercise to get well-er (no, that's not proper English :) ). I'll be testing the K32 in a VM later on this afternoon. Really looking forward to this! :D :mrgreen: :geek: :ugeek:

I'll even be giving the "X" versions a good, hard spin.
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Re: Need help testing

Postby ane champenois » 23 Jun 2014 12:37

Downloading SolydK32...When testing done, I'll post some infos. ;)

About systemd for solydX, I'm not sure systemd is fully supported by xfce 4.10.
Shutdown/reboot functionality doesn't work (among other things) with the version of Debian testing repos xfce4-power-manager 1.2.0 http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-ma ... 39824cd4aa
From the Xfce mailing list (Xfce-announce Digest, Vol 52, Issue 2, 2 of June 2014): xfce4-power-manager 1.3.0 is now available for download (...) Release notes for 1.3.0
=======================
[Please note that this is a development release.]
(...)- Add shutdown/reboot functionality for systemd (Bug 10167)
patch written by Andreas M?ller and Guido Berhoerster
- Don't allow systemd to handle suspend/hibernate events
patch written by Mikhail Efremov
- Add support for logind suspend/resume (Bug 9963)
- Allow individual inhibition of systemd events
patch written by Sean Davis

So I deduce that if we choose systemd for xfce, we probably will have hiccups :roll:
ATM it will be supported with xfce 4.12 or perhaps before if Xfce4-power-manager has a new release available on Debian.
They did not know it was impossible so they did it.

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Re: Need help testing

Postby balloon » 23 Jun 2014 13:25

At first I perform the test use of SolydK.
There was not the place to be interested in boot and LightDM.

There is one what I want to confirm.
Do you not include a language package in testing repository?
I chose Japanese and pushed forward installation.
However, indication is almost English.

and you forget this correspondence if this makes careful modifications:
http://forums.solydxk.nl/viewtopic.php?t=3762

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Re: Need help testing

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 23 Jun 2014 13:36

balloon wrote:At first I perform the test use of SolydK.
There was not the place to be interested in boot and LightDM.

There is one what I want to confirm.
Do you not include a language package in testing repository?
I chose Japanese and pushed forward installation.
However, indication is almost English.

and you forget this correspondence if this makes careful modifications:
http://forums.solydxk.nl/viewtopic.php?t=3762
I haven't found the time yet. Priority now is to get these new ISOs working properly. Anything else has, even if people would like that feature, lower priority, and it will have to wait, I'm afraid.


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Re: Need help testing

Postby balloon » 23 Jun 2014 13:38

I understood it. ;)

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Re: Need help testing

Postby ScottQuier » 23 Jun 2014 17:08

I've installed both X and K (32-bit) in VMs and have done everything to them that I can think to do .... so far, nothing's broken. I've got each "using" 2 processors and have the pae kernel installed.

So far, the only thing I've found a bit strange is the fact that sysvinit is still part of the iso:

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scott@k32-systemd ~ $ apt policy sysvinit                                              
sysvinit:                                                                              
  Installed: 2.88dsf-53.2                                                              
  Candidate: 2.88dsf-53.2                                                                 
  Version table:                                                                          
 *** 2.88dsf-53.2 0                                                                       
        500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages                    
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status                                                           
scott@k32-systemd ~ $ apt policy systemd
systemd:                                                                                    
  Installed: 204-8                                                                           
  Candidate: 204-8                                                                            
  Version table:
 *** 204-8 0
        500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
However, the VM is running systemd:

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System:    Host: k32-systemd Kernel: 3.14-1-686-pae i686 (32 bit gcc: 4.8.3)                     
           Desktop: KDE 4.13.1 (Qt 4.8.6) dm: lightdm Distro: SolydXK 1 testing                  
Machine:   System: innotek product: VirtualBox v: 1.2 Chassis: Oracle type: 1                    
           Mobo: Oracle model: VirtualBox v: 1.2 Bios: innotek v: VirtualBox date: 12/01/2006    
CPU:       Dual core AMD FX-8320 Eight-Core (-MCP-) cache: 4096 KB                               
           flags: (nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3) bmips: 15109                                      
           Clock Speeds: 1: 3777 MHz 2: 3777 MHz                
Info:      Processes: 146 Uptime: 17 min Memory: 491.6/2024.1MB 
           Init: systemd v: 204 runlevel: 5 default: 2 Gcc sys: 4.9.0 alt: 4.6/4.7/4.8 
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.111 running in konsole) inxi: 2.1.16 
Finally, the boot time for the VM is great ....

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$ systemd-analyze 
Startup finished in 7.513s (kernel) + 17.892s (userspace) = 25.405s
Now, off to do the same thing with the 64-bit installs .... but on bare metal! :D
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Re: Need help testing

Postby kurotsugi » 23 Jun 2014 17:43

About systemd for solydX, I'm not sure systemd is fully supported by xfce 4.10.
Shutdown/reboot functionality doesn't work (among other things) with the version of Debian testing repos xfce4-power-manager 1.2.0 http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-ma ... 39824cd4aa
From the Xfce mailing list (Xfce-announce Digest, Vol 52, Issue 2, 2 of June 2014): xfce4-power-manager 1.3.0 is now available for download (...) Release notes for 1.3.0
=======================
[Please note that this is a development release.]
(...)- Add shutdown/reboot functionality for systemd (Bug 10167)
patch written by Andreas M?ller and Guido Berhoerster
- Don't allow systemd to handle suspend/hibernate events
patch written by Mikhail Efremov
- Add support for logind suspend/resume (Bug 9963)
- Allow individual inhibition of systemd events
patch written by Sean Davis
So I deduce that if we choose systemd for xfce, we probably will have hiccups :roll:
ATM it will be supported with xfce 4.12 or perhaps before if Xfce4-power-manager has a new release available on Debian.
I've been using xfce combined with systemd for more than a year and it works just fine. the only problem I got on my system was I need to wake up my system twice if I close my laptop screen.
Another thing: should I implement systemd for the BEs (and LightDM for SolydK BE)?
a big no. stable is using v44 with lots of bugs. you can't use it for a daily usage.

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Re: Need help testing

Postby ScottQuier » 23 Jun 2014 19:42

Well ... it was all going so well until I decided to hook up my DVD player and see if I could play a commercial DVD movie.

In K, the notifier provided VLC as an option and, when selected, VLC did start. But it could not/would not start the movie.

Pretty much the same with X.

Just for grins, I started up a "Testing" version of X and a production version of X and they both started up the movie (same disc) with no issues.

Aside from that small thing, I've been unable to break anything. In fact, the installs start up faster (I think) and they definitely shut down faster.

It's probably just a small thing - so I think we have a 95% solution going here.
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Re: Need help testing

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 23 Jun 2014 20:37

Tha's probably because these ISOs are now deb-multimedia fee, and that includes libdvdcss.
The question is: how should we handle this?


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Re: Need help testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 23 Jun 2014 20:42

Don't know if it helps much but here is some info from Wikipedia:
Distribution

Many GNU/Linux distributions do not contain libdvdcss (for example Debian, Fedora, SUSE Linux, and Ubuntu) due to fears of running afoul of DMCA-style laws, however they may provide the tools to let the user install it themselves. For example, it used to be available in Ubuntu through Medibuntu, which is no longer available.[4]

Distributions which come pre-installed with libdvdcss include BackTrack, CrunchBang Linux, LinuxMCE, Linux Mint, PCLinuxOS, Puppy Linux 4.2.1, Slax, Super OS, Pardus, and XBMC Live.
Usage

Libdvdcss alone is only a library and cannot play DVDs. DVD player applications, such as VLC media player, use this library to decode DVDs. Libdvdcss is optional in many open-source DVD players, but without it, only non-encrypted discs will play.


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Re: Need help testing

Postby Transitman » 23 Jun 2014 21:04

libdvdcss is available through the VLC repository

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#### VideoLan Repos
deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ /
# deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/debian/stable/ /

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Re: Need help testing

Postby jsalpha2 » 23 Jun 2014 22:28

That's probably because these ISOs are now deb-multimedia free, and that includes libdvdcss.
Sorry, I missed the part about what was wrong with deb-multimedia. Is it this?
I had some problems with with digikam, and kipi-plugins. So, I removed kdenext from the sources.list to prevent people from invertedly upgrade to kdenext's versions.
Just curious. I never understood what kdenext was doing in SolydX. Is that the same thing as deb-multimedia? Could you put a few tested items into community? Everyone else might already know this. Sorry :oops:


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