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Re: Need help testing

Postby jsalpha2 » 23 Jun 2014 23:34

SolydX64 tested on live USB created from within Windows using Rufus. Everything working great! Was able to quickly set my standard customizations. Passed YouTube and Facebook tests. Good to see HardInfo is back. Let's give this baby a point 1 upgrade number and get back on Distrowatch. Send a copy out to all the reviewers. Well maybe a few more days of testing first!
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Re: Need help testing

Postby kurotsugi » 24 Jun 2014 05:07

Tha's probably because these ISOs are now deb-multimedia fee, and that includes libdvdcss.
The question is: how should we handle this?
we can pull libdvdcss2 from DMO and put it on our repo. as for avoiding DMCA we're not installing it by default on our ISO. user will be prompted to install it if they need it on solydxk's welcome screen.

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Re: Need help testing

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 24 Jun 2014 05:43

For the time I'll leave it at simply adding it to our repositories (done).
The welcome screen would need programming and that will take time.


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Re: Need help testing

Postby balloon » 24 Jun 2014 05:52

I want correspondence same as libdvdcss to go to w32/w64codec.
These are regulated by a law by a country:
http://forums.solydxk.nl/viewtopic.php?t=4080

What can remove these from iso has the inconvenience,
but is available in peace in many countries.

For reference, MX-14 prepares for application to install it:
http://www.mepiscommunity.org/doc_mx/mxapps.html#codecs

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Re: Need help testing

Postby wayne » 24 Jun 2014 06:33

Question:

Does the 64-bit iso support UEFI booting and installing in UEFI mode?

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Re: Need help testing

Postby kurotsugi » 24 Jun 2014 07:28

I want correspondence same as libdvdcss to go to w32/w64codec.
These are regulated by a law by a country:
viewtopic.php?t=4080
the package is available on the repo but we didn't have these package in our ISO. it should be legal for every country.
Does the 64-bit iso support UEFI booting and installing in UEFI mode?
yes

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Re: Need help testing

Postby ane champenois » 24 Jun 2014 07:35

Just some informations about my tests on SolydK 32:
Boot and run nicely (apart from that: Kde is really nice 8-) ): software runs smoothly, it seems to be a little faster, espacially for the shut down of the machine.
A small glitch: when I tried to launch my usb (build with unetbootin, MD5 ok) SolydK 32 without plymouth, it runs...but plymouth was partially used with the previous theme you build Schoelje (progression bar). I don't know if it's normal, but I think it's worth to note it.
They did not know it was impossible so they did it.

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Re: Need help testing

Postby wayne » 24 Jun 2014 08:13

kurotsugi wrote:
Does the 64-bit iso support UEFI booting and installing in UEFI mode?
yes

i tried this solydx_64bit, dd to usb flash, not able to boot in UEFI mode

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Re: Need help testing

Postby fleabus » 24 Jun 2014 09:34

:mrgreen: :oops:

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Re: Need help testing

Postby kurotsugi » 24 Jun 2014 10:13

i tried this solydx_64bit, dd to usb flash, not able to boot in UEFI mode
the UEFI support was done in previous UP. if everything is good you'll see four boot option. two legacy mode and two EFI mode.

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Re: Need help testing

Postby zerozero » 24 Jun 2014 10:30

libdvdcss is not free to use in the US and Japan since they have legislation that allows patents to apply to software and distribution of restricted technologies.

that's why some distros don't ship it at all, others offer an option either in the installer (ubuntu) or in some kind of post-installation routine (MX-14, Mint in the no-codecs versions) so that it's up to the user to take that decision based on his particular situation and expected usage of the system.
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Re: Need help testing

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 24 Jun 2014 10:53

@wayne
I thing what kurotsugi is trying to tell: use Unetbootin, and mind the 4 different menu entries.

@ane
Please clean the pen drive before using Unetbootin.

@zz
I suppose offering libdvdcss in the repositories won't get us into trouble?


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Re: Need help testing

Postby zerozero » 24 Jun 2014 11:00

Schoelje wrote:@zz
I suppose offering libdvdcss in the repositories won't get us into trouble?
no, it won't but then we lose some of the OOTB experience
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Re: Need help testing

Postby zerozero » 24 Jun 2014 11:01

K64 installed in metal

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zerozero@k64-d ~ $ systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 13.516s (kernel) + 32.966s (userspace) = 46.482s

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zerozero@k64-d ~ $ systemd-analyze blame
         19.088s samba.service
         17.800s nmbd.service
         17.144s samba-ad-dc.service
         10.126s clamav-freshclam.service
          9.681s ModemManager.service
          9.678s NetworkManager.service
          9.129s lightdm.service
          6.961s keyboard-setup.service
          6.738s bootlogs.service
          6.305s fglrx-atieventsd.service
          6.254s loadcpufreq.service
          6.091s avahi-daemon.service
          6.030s systemd-fsck-root.service
          6.003s timidity.service
          5.673s systemd-logind.service
          4.144s hdparm.service
          3.785s polkitd.service
          3.205s rsyslog.service
          2.230s binfmt-support.service
          2.149s systemd-modules-load.service
          2.081s dirmngr.service
          1.726s ufw.service
          1.463s dev-hugepages.mount
          1.462s dev-mqueue.mount
          1.462s sys-kernel-debug.mount
          1.170s smbd.service
          1.118s systemd-update-utmp-runlevel.service
          1.071s winbind.service
[...]
in the same hardware, other kde distro

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systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 5.164s (kernel) + 13.843s (userspace) = 19.007s

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systemd-analyze blame
          5.164s ModemManager.service
          4.908s NetworkManager.service
          3.177s systemd-logind.service
          2.942s systemd-vconsole-setup.service
          2.873s alsa-restore.service
          2.864s systemd-resolved.service
          2.862s avahi-daemon.service
          1.697s upower.service
          1.448s systemd-modules-load.service
          1.285s polkit.service
           997ms systemd-remount-fs.service
           898ms sys-kernel-debug.mount
           888ms dev-mqueue.mount
           877ms dev-hugepages.mount
           833ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup-dev.service
           702ms systemd-udev-trigger.service
           526ms systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
           513ms systemd-rfkill@rfkill0.service
           511ms systemd-journal-flush.service
           510ms systemd-rfkill@rfkill1.service
           489ms kmod-static-nodes.service
           313ms systemd-user-sessions.service
           244ms systemd-sysctl.service
           208ms sys-kernel-config.mount
           202ms systemd-udevd.service
           191ms systemd-backlight@backlight:acpi_video0.service
           181ms dev-disk-by\x2duuid-a90b0c23\x2d66b0\x2d497e\x2dba91\x2dd2c9071fa62d.swap
           157ms systemd-update-utmp.service
           153ms bluetooth.service
           142ms wpa_supplicant.service
           114ms systemd-random-seed.service
            62ms ntpd.service
            55ms udisks.service
            42ms tmp.mount
            41ms rtkit-daemon.service
            17ms systemd-rfkill@rfkill2.service
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Re: Need help testing

Postby wayne » 24 Jun 2014 11:05

Schoelje wrote:@wayne
I thing what kurotsugi is trying to tell: use Unetbootin, and mind the 4 different menu entries.
I use unetbootin, and use UEFI-San disk, end with

grub rescue>


By the way, these have been tested working with dd and installed on my Asus laptop in UEFI mode
Debian 7.5
LMDE
LM17, cin/mate/xfce
xubuntu1404

all of them have no issue with traditional dd to prepare bootable USB flash, and on booting that Asus, two San Disk appears on boot menu after hitting boot key, san-disk, and UEFI: san disk, once I choose UEFI: san disk, I will boot into UEFI mode and install on GPT hard disk.

Debian installer has the most straight forward installer screen! it tells me I am running in UEFI mode
http://i62.tinypic.com/2n9gep1.jpg
it reads 'Debian GNU/Linux UEFI installer menu'.

I shall be playing with other too.

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Re: Need help testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 24 Jun 2014 11:09

Is our testing sources.list going to change when we are ready for this quarters testing due to multimedia changes?
Here is my current list:

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Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
           deb http://home.solydxk.com/testing/ solydxk main upstream import kdenext
           deb http://debian.solydxk.com/testing testing main contrib non-free
           deb http://debian.solydxk.com/testing/multimedia testing main non-free
           deb http://debian.solydxk.com/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
           deb http://community.solydxk.com/testing/ solydxk main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
           deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-talkplugin.list
           deb http://dl.google.com/linux/talkplugin/deb/ stable main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/plank.list
           deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/debian-plank sid main


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Re: Need help testing

Postby kurotsugi » 24 Jun 2014 11:21

@zz: AFAIK samba didn't work well with systemd yet. that's the reason why it boot twice longer with samba.

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zerozero@k64-d ~ $ systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 13.516s (kernel) + 32.966s (userspace) = 46.482s
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         19.088s samba.service
         17.800s nmbd.service
         17.144s samba-ad-dc.service
         10.126s clamav-freshclam.service
the reason is because samba.service didn't executed in parallel manner. it wait until samba-ad-dc.service, winbind.service and nmbd.service got executed. we compared several system with systemd and the average time needed to complete the boot process is 30s (with samba) and 15s (without samba)

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Re: Need help testing

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 24 Jun 2014 11:28

@zz
no, it won't but then we lose some of the OOTB experience
Indeed, but SolydXK will be adopted more easily without this being pre-installed, thus enlarging the market potential for SolydXK. If this is the only thing missing, we can still offer it in our repositoy, or even in the welcome screen as suggested by kurotsugi.

@MAYBL8
These ISOs are for testing only.
After the UP, I will build the official ISOs.

@kurotsugi
That explains why SolydXK isn't much faster with systemd, but at least, it doesn't break the system. I'm convinced this is going to get solved upstream in time. I suppose there's not much we can do about it?


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Re: Need help testing

Postby MAYBL8 » 24 Jun 2014 11:32

@MAYBL8
These ISOs are for testing only.
After the UP, I will build the official ISOs.
I understand that.
Just to clarify the sources.list line :
deb http://debian.solydxk.nl/testing/multimedia testing main non-free

Is what I was wondering going to be eliminated?

Thanks


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Re: Need help testing

Postby Arjen Balfoort » 24 Jun 2014 11:35

Yes, from the future ISOs it will be removed, but the multimedia repository will continue to be maintained for those who want/need the deb-multimedia repository.


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