Installing EE and transforming it to stable when it is released

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SolydForEver
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Installing EE and transforming it to stable when it is released

Postby SolydForEver » 15 Feb 2017 21:13

Hi,
I would like to ask Grizzler these questions since he is so busy with the EE version.

My wife is still using Mint 17.3 on her PC and I want to change that to SolydK.
When I install the EE version now from the latest ISO available, update it to the last status what will happen when EE becomes stable? What do I need to do? Will it be up to date with all the increment updates or will I have to re-install it with a new stable ISO?
I hope for the first option cause installing it twice does not make my wife happy.

Furthermore, the computer has an ATI Radeon card HD 3650. Will there be decent drivers for this card? With decent I mean tearing free. She gets a lot of videos from friends and family from the country she was born in, Indonesia, and when she has to watch those with tearing I will hear about it, to say it very mildly.

Thanks.

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Re: Installing EE and transforming it to stable when it is released

Postby kurotsugi » 16 Feb 2017 00:13

it depends on your repo configuration. your repo structure will looks like this

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deb http://blabla.com stretch main contrib non-free
we can break it one by one.
1. deb means that it's a repo for packages. deb-src is for source code
2. http://blabla.com is the repo address
3. stretch is the debian branch.
4. main, contrib, nonfree are the repo branch. we can skip it for now

the most important is "3". debian consist of 4 branch (stable, testing, sid, experimental). you can use either these name or using the "codename". the differences is what will happened when new debian got released. in case if you have "testing", in the repo list, you'll forever follow the testing branch. however, if you have "stretch", your system will automagically converted to stable. when new debian got released "stretch" is the "stable". that's the logic behind it.

in short, if you have "stretch", no need to reinstall.

as for the video card. the open source driver usually works out of the box. I'd suggest to try it on usb stick to see whether if you have problem or not.

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ilu
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Re: Installing EE and transforming it to stable when it is released

Postby ilu » 16 Feb 2017 00:58

Regarding the video driver: There will be no dedicated driver by ATI and about the generic driver I'm not so sure. mhwelsh has reported problems here: viewtopic.php?f=78&t=6760. Has anybody else tried?

It sounds like older hardware, so when in doubt, take Jessie and don't upgrade. Jessie will be fine for several years.

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Re: Installing EE and transforming it to stable when it is released

Postby grizzler » 16 Feb 2017 15:47

SolydForEver wrote:Hi,
I would like to ask Grizzler these questions since he is so busy with the EE version.

My wife is still using Mint 17.3 on her PC and I want to change that to SolydK.
When I install the EE version now from the latest ISO available, update it to the last status what will happen when EE becomes stable?
Actually, EE will never become stable. It will always be testing. But kurotsugi already mentioned what you'd have to do to switch from EE to the new stable: just change 'testing' in the sources.list file to 'stretch'. Also, you may have to add a security updates (and backports) line to that file, as by default this isn't part of an EE sources.list (testing gets its security updates straight from unstable). In short, your sources.list file would have to look something like this:

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deb http://repository.solydxk.com/ solydxk-9 main upstream import
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main contrib non-free
or (with the NL mirrors):

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deb http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/solydxk/repository solydxk-9 main upstream import
deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main contrib non-free
Don't do this now! The solydxk-9 repository isn't complete yet.

So, no need to reinstall if you keep the system up to date and change the sources.list when stretch has become stable.

However, this may not be the best moment to install an EE. The ones on the main download page are six months old, so you would receive a very large number of upgrades, some of which may cause problems. You could use one of the ISOs built by Arjen (check the Community ISO maintenance and build issues thread), but those aren't really for 'production' use.
I do intend to have a new set of EE ISOs available through the usual testing/ce page before stretch goes stable, but I have no idea exactly when this will be (I haven't been able to spend any serious time on the ISOs this week and it looks like next week won't be much better... :( ).

No idea about the video drivers, I'm afraid.
Frank

SolydX EE 64 - tracking Debian Testing

SolydForEver
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Re: Installing EE and transforming it to stable when it is released

Postby SolydForEver » 16 Feb 2017 16:49

Thank you all. I had a hunch it would like that (change the sources.list file) but I just wanted to be sure.
Last year I have worked on EE quite some time and at that time it was "stable" already so I am not worried it won't be stable now, unless what Frank writes: starting with an old ISO and then do tons of updates may be causing problems.
I will look for Arjens ISO files and see if I can start with one of those.

On other forums I hear ATI is doing quite well with their drivers nowadays so it surprises me to read that on Solyd it does not. They had problems but found a way to resolve those. Will try the nouveau driver and see if videos are played well.

Thanks again.

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ilu
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Re: Installing EE and transforming it to stable when it is released

Postby ilu » 16 Feb 2017 16:56

SolydForEver wrote:On other forums I hear ATI is doing quite well with their drivers nowadays so it surprises me to read that on Solyd it does not. They had problems but found a way to resolve those. Will try the nouveau driver and see if videos are played well.
Nouveau drivers are for nVidia!

There is no difference between SolydXK and any other debian. AMD does very well with recent cards. Your wife's card is very old. But maybe all problems are resolved, I don't know. Go for it and I'd really like to have your report in this thread : viewtopic.php?f=78&t=6760.

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Re: Installing EE and transforming it to stable when it is released

Postby Zill » 16 Feb 2017 17:14

SolydForEver wrote:... Last year I have worked on EE quite some time and at that time it was "stable" already so I am not worried it won't be stable now...
No, to reiterate grizzler's point, EE has never been and never will be "stable". The Debian testing branch exists solely to test and debug the next stable release. When sufficient bugs (including all critical bugs) have been squashed, testing will become the new stable release. At this point Debian testing moves on to developing the next stable release by debugging sid packages.

As SolydXK EE tracks Debian testing this means it can never be stable. Note that, in Debian terms, stable means "unchanging" and verifies that a package has been tested such that it will work reliably with other packages in the stable release. These attributes cannot be applied to packages from Debian testing.


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