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Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby xendistar » 20 Jun 2018 19:28

Did an update tonight (solydX EE) and I have lost Audio, everything goes through the motions that it is playing but there is no sound, checked Alsamixer and volume control and noting is muted.

I did find a post on the Debian forum about somebody running Debian Testing and he has lost audio in the last 24hrs

Anybody else??

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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby grizzler » 21 Jun 2018 17:48

Not here. Radiotray running as I write this, no audio issues.

When I still had the old xfce audio controls installed, tuning the volume down to zero used to lock the audio at that level and I needed to manually unmute some channel somewhere (don't remember what that app was called - it was part of one of the xfce packages that are no longer available). With just pavucontrol, that no longer happens. Which audio control tools do you have installed?
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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby xendistar » 21 Jun 2018 19:33

Well I have just booted my PC into a different distro just to check that there is no physical hardware issue and I can play music no issue.

So this is what was upgraded on Wednesday night

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Start-Date: 2018-06-20  18:42:12
Commandline: apt-get dist-upgrade
Requested-By: mit (1000)
Install: libcdio18:amd64 (2.0.0-2, automatic), libqt5sql5-sqlite:amd64 (5.10.1+dfsg-7, automatic), libmygpo-qt5-1:amd64 (1.1.0-2, automatic), libqt5xml5:amd64 (5.10.1+dfsg-7, automatic), libqt5concurrent5:amd64 (5.10.1+dfsg-7, automatic), libqt5opengl5:amd64 (5.10.1+dfsg-7, automatic), fluid-soundfont-gm:amd64 (3.1-5.1, automatic), libqt5sql5:amd64 (5.10.1+dfsg-7, automatic)
Upgrade: clementine:amd64 (1.3.1+git276-g3485bbe43+dfsg-1.1+b2, 1.3.1+git542-gf00d9727c+dfsg-1+b1), timidity-daemon:amd64 (2.13.2-41, 2.14.0-3), libservlet3.1-java:amd64 (8.5.30-1, 8.5.31-1), dbus-x11:amd64 (1.12.8-2, 1.12.8-3), libisccfg160:amd64 (1:9.11.3+dfsg-1, 1:9.11.3+dfsg-2), libdbus-1-3:amd64 (1.12.8-2, 1.12.8-3), libdbus-1-3:i386 (1.12.8-2, 1.12.8-3), gnupg-utils:amd64 (2.2.7-1, 2.2.8-1), gvfs-backends:amd64 (1.36.1-1, 1.36.1-1+b1), gnupg-agent:amd64 (2.2.7-1, 2.2.8-1), gpg-wks-client:amd64 (2.2.7-1, 2.2.8-1), gvfs-bin:amd64 (1.36.1-1, 1.36.1-1+b1), scdaemon:amd64 (2.2.7-1, 2.2.8-1), oxygen-icon-theme:amd64 (5:5.46.0-1, 5:5.47.0-1), gnupg-l10n:amd64 (2.2.7-1, 2.2.8-1), libegl-mesa0:amd64 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), libegl-mesa0:i386 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), ant:amd64 (1.10.3-1, 1.10.3-2), cpp-6:amd64 (6.4.0-17, 6.4.0-18), dbus:amd64 (1.12.8-2, 1.12.8-3), libglapi-mesa:amd64 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), libglapi-mesa:i386 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), mesa-common-dev:amd64 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), libirs160:amd64 (1:9.11.3+dfsg-1, 1:9.11.3+dfsg-2), libopenmpt0:amd64 (0.3.9-1, 0.3.10-1), bind9-host:amd64 (1:9.11.3+dfsg-1, 1:9.11.3+dfsg-2), libxmmsclient6:amd64 (0.8+dfsg-18.1+b4, 0.8+dfsg-18.1+b5), dnsutils:amd64 (1:9.11.3+dfsg-1, 1:9.11.3+dfsg-2), libcdio-cdda2:amd64 (10.2+0.94+2-2+b1, 10.2+0.94+2-2+b2), nano:amd64 (2.9.7-1, 2.9.8-1), gpg-wks-server:amd64 (2.2.7-1, 2.2.8-1), libxatracker2:amd64 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), gpg:amd64 (2.2.7-1, 2.2.8-1), libisc169:amd64 (1:9.11.3+dfsg-1, 1:9.11.3+dfsg-2), libegl1-mesa:amd64 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), libegl1-mesa:i386 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), libasan3:amd64 (6.4.0-17, 6.4.0-18), gcc-6-base:amd64 (6.4.0-17, 6.4.0-18), libsvn1:amd64 (1.10.0-1, 1.10.0-2), libgbm1:amd64 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), libgbm1:i386 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), dirmngr:amd64 (2.2.7-1, 2.2.8-1), libcdio-paranoia2:amd64 (10.2+0.94+2-2+b1, 10.2+0.94+2-2+b2), ppp:amd64 (2.4.7-2+2, 2.4.7-2+3), gvfs-libs:amd64 (1.36.1-1, 1.36.1-1+b1), gvfs-fuse:amd64 (1.36.1-1, 1.36.1-1+b1), libisc-export169:amd64 (1:9.11.3+dfsg-1, 1:9.11.3+dfsg-2), libgcc-6-dev:amd64 (6.4.0-17, 6.4.0-18), libopenmpt-modplug1:amd64 (0.3.9-1, 0.3.10-1), g++-6:amd64 (6.4.0-17, 6.4.0-18), libodfgen-0.1-1:amd64 (0.1.6-2, 0.1.7-1), subversion:amd64 (1.10.0-1, 1.10.0-2), libwayland-egl1-mesa:amd64 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), gcc-6:amd64 (6.4.0-17, 6.4.0-18), libgcrypt20:amd64 (1.8.2-2, 1.8.3-1), libgcrypt20:i386 (1.8.2-2, 1.8.3-1), liblwres160:amd64 (1:9.11.3+dfsg-1, 1:9.11.3+dfsg-2), lintian:amd64 (2.5.90, 2.5.91), libdbus-1-dev:amd64 (1.12.8-2, 1.12.8-3), gpgv:amd64 (2.2.7-1, 2.2.8-1), wpasupplicant:amd64 (2:2.6-16, 2:2.6-17), libgl1-mesa-dev:amd64 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), libdns-export1100:amd64 (1:9.11.3+dfsg-1, 1:9.11.3+dfsg-2), breeze-icon-theme:amd64 (4:5.46.0-1, 4:5.47.0-1), gnupg2:amd64 (2.2.7-1, 2.2.8-1), dictionaries-common:amd64 (1.27.4, 1.27.6), gvfs:amd64 (1.36.1-1, 1.36.1-1+b1), libgl1-mesa-glx:amd64 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), timidity:amd64 (2.13.2-41+b1, 2.14.0-3), libisccc160:amd64 (1:9.11.3+dfsg-1, 1:9.11.3+dfsg-2), dbus-user-session:amd64 (1.12.8-2, 1.12.8-3), mesa-vdpau-drivers:amd64 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), mesa-vdpau-drivers:i386 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), libbind9-160:amd64 (1:9.11.3+dfsg-1, 1:9.11.3+dfsg-2), gnupg:amd64 (2.2.7-1, 2.2.8-1), libdns1100:amd64 (1:9.11.3+dfsg-1, 1:9.11.3+dfsg-2), gpg-agent:amd64 (2.2.7-1, 2.2.8-1), ant-optional:amd64 (1.10.3-1, 1.10.3-2), gvfs-daemons:amd64 (1.36.1-1, 1.36.1-1+b1), timidity-interfaces-extra:amd64 (2.13.2-41+b1, 2.14.0-3), gpgconf:amd64 (2.2.7-1, 2.2.8-1), mesa-va-drivers:amd64 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), mesa-va-drivers:i386 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), gpgsm:amd64 (2.2.7-1, 2.2.8-1), gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly:amd64 (1.14.1-1, 1.14.1-1+b1), libglx-mesa0:amd64 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), libglx-mesa0:i386 (18.0.5-1, 18.1.1-1), libstdc++-6-dev:amd64 (6.4.0-17, 6.4.0-18)
End-Date: 2018-06-20  18:45:34
The only thing that I can see is sound related is

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gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly
lspci show my audio as

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00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05)
More sound card details

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mit@prometheus:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
 0 [PCH            ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
                      HDA Intel PCH at 0xf7c00000 irq 27
Checked alsamixer has not muted itself which is has not, I have checked pavucontrol but everything looks OK. So I am open to any suggestion as to what to check next?

SO I am open to any suggestions as to what to check next

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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby san-claudio » 22 Jun 2018 08:07

Ayant le même problème à la même date je suis aussi ouvert à des suggestions : ayant épluché en abondance des informations sur le sujet et ce n'est pas la première fois que j'ai des problèmes de son mais c'est fois-ci je cale...
Voir en PJ tout ce que j'ai peu faire en 2 jours sur le sujet soigneusement noté ligne après ligne.

Le silence est d'or, la parole est d'argent.
en Chinois 说话是银,沉默是金 (zh) (說話是銀,沉默是金)
en Espéranto : parlo estas arĝento, oron similas silento (eo)
en Arabe : اذا كان الكلام من فضة فالسكوت من ذهب
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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby grizzler » 22 Jun 2018 16:25

xendistar wrote: Well I have just booted my PC into a different distro just to check that there is no physical hardware issue and I can play music no issue.

So this is what was upgraded on Wednesday night
Similar here, except I don't have:

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ant
ant-optional
clementine
fluid-soundfont-gm
g++-6 #
gnupg-agent  *
libegl1-mesa *
libgbm1
libmygpo-qt5-1
libqt5sql5-sqlite
libstdc++-6-dev #
libwayland-egl1-mesa *
libxmmsclient6
mesa-va-drivers
mesa-vdpau-drivers
ppp
scdaemon
timidity
timidity-daemon
timidity-interfaces-extra
The ones marked * are transitional dummy packages and # are outdated.
The only thing that I can see is sound related is
Plus some of the bits I mentioned above, perhaps? I think I see two packages related to audio players and three to do with midi. No idea what dependencies they might have pulled in.
lspci show my audio as
Same here.
More sound card details
Ditto.
SO I am open to any suggestions as to what to check next
Don't have any at present, I'm afraid.
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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby xendistar » 22 Jun 2018 16:29

I hope you realise I am having to listen to the wife and kids until we sort this issue out, thing s are getting that bad that by the end of the weekend I might even know my kids names and be talking to the wife...........................................PLEASE HELP ME!!!! ;)

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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby san-claudio » 22 Jun 2018 21:43

Le projet ALSA met à disposition un script permettant de collecter les données relatives à votre configuration.
Vous pouvez télécharger ce script :
en user
wget http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
en root
bash alsa-info.sh
Voir en PJ pour un Lenovo Thinkpad X220 SolydX EE 10 64bits.
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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby xendistar » 23 Jun 2018 09:35

I have been able to get sound out of VLC media player by selecting Audio from the menu bar and then selecting Audio Device and then from the list select

HDA INTEL PCH ALC887-VD Analog Default Audio Device

I can then play audio or video track and I can hear the sound

I still have nothing in any web browser

If I try speaker-test -c 2 I still get nothing

aplay -l

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    **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
    card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC887-VD Analog [ALC887-VD Analog]
      Subdevices: 0/1
      Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
    card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 1: ALC887-VD Digital [ALC887-VD Digital]
      Subdevices: 1/1
      Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
I know Pulse audio is running and if I kill it in Task manager it automatically restarts

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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby san-claudio » 23 Jun 2018 11:58

Dans VLC barre menu Audio ---> Audio Device ---> Sortie factice.... et c'est tout pas de possibilté de choisir un périphérique. !!!???

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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby xendistar » 23 Jun 2018 12:10

Well this is what I get
VLC-screengrab.jpg
Also where can I find the latest EE Iso file as I want to boot this PC from a boot disk and run a couple of commands and check out a couple of config files to see what I have and what a fresh install file looks like?

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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby san-claudio » 23 Jun 2018 12:24

Il faudrait que je teste avec un LiveUSB pour VLC Audio Device...???
Oui il n'y a plus de SolydX EE 10 dans les téléchargements pour l'instant.
J'ai sous le coude une SolydXEE 10 'solydxee_10_64_201803.iso' 1,9 Go pas de torrent que j'ai téléchargé par prudence, mais celle que j'ai sur mon PC portable date de plus d'un an je crois....D'une manière générale je fais une réinstallation tous les 2 ans environ....Ça fait 3 ans que je suis sur une SolydXEE....
Si ça t'intéresse pour le téléchargement et un site gratuit valable !!???...il faut que je regarde sur mes disques durs si j'ai des versions plus anciennes:
J'ai également une 'solydxee_10_64_201709.iso' 1,8Go pas de torrent.

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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby kurotsugi » 25 Jun 2018 00:56

VLC works fine so it might not a pulseaudio issue (IIRC the even if you set the audio output to alsa, it still directed to pulseaudio first, then it will use the alsa. which means, pulseaudio might works fine). I recall I have some glitch with pulseaudio but the problem was the pulseaudio setting. I don't know how to fix the issue on your system since I can't replicate the issue but as a workaround you can stream your audio output to alsa. some audio/video player allow you to do that but I'm not sure about other apps. as the last solution, jackd should works. just make sure you properly routed the audio stream.

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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby xendistar » 25 Jun 2018 07:07

If I look under pauvcontrol, under the configuration tab, it says No cards available for configuration, now does that mean pulse can not find my soundcard, what does everybody elses say?

If it does mean that pulse cannot see my soundcard, how to I add it, I have looked at the pulse documentation, but there is nothing I can see specific to adding a sound card it just works as it says on the page several time. Alsa can see the soundcard and is working with it

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sudo alsactl init
[sudo] password for mit: 
Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC887-VD" "HDA:10ec0887,10438445,00100302" "0x1043" "0x8445"
Hardware is initialized using a generic method

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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby san-claudio » 25 Jun 2018 07:51

Idem. !!!!???

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san-claudio@solydxk:~$ sudo alsactl init
Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Conexant CX20590" "HDA:14f1506e,17aa21da,00100002 HDA:80862805,80860101,00100000" "0x17aa" "0x21da"
Hardware is initialized using a generic method
san-claudio@solydxk:~$

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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby xendistar » 25 Jun 2018 21:35

Thanks to Senernity on the Debian forum the issue has been solved.

Well it seems I have my answer, it's a *bug in TiMidity of all things. The new version takes control of the sound chip before PulseAudio can, effectively locking it out. So I used "systemctl stop timidity" followed by "pulseaudio -k" and wouldn't you know it? Fully restored sound. I'd advise everyone else to try the same to see if you're being affected by this too.

*https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo ... bug=901148

Just for the record I simply used synaptics to remove Timidity and sound has returned

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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby san-claudio » 26 Jun 2018 08:22

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san-claudio@solydxk:~$ apt-cache policy  timidity
timidity:
  Installé : 2.14.0-3
  Candidat : 2.14.0-3
 Table de version :
 *** 2.14.0-3 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
san-claudio@solydxk:~$ 
san-claudio@solydxk:~$ systemctl stop timidity
san-claudio@solydxk:~$ pulseaudio -k
san-claudio@solydxk:~$
OK j'ai retrouvé le son, je n'ai pas encore rebooté.... Je suppose qu'il faut répéter les commandes à chaque session....
Merci bien d'avoir trouvé la solution.

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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby xendistar » 26 Jun 2018 14:05

san-claudio wrote:
26 Jun 2018 08:22

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san-claudio@solydxk:~$ apt-cache policy  timidity
timidity:
  Installé : 2.14.0-3
  Candidat : 2.14.0-3
 Table de version :
 *** 2.14.0-3 500
        500 http://deb.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
san-claudio@solydxk:~$ 
san-claudio@solydxk:~$ systemctl stop timidity
san-claudio@solydxk:~$ pulseaudio -k
san-claudio@solydxk:~$
OK j'ai retrouvé le son, je n'ai pas encore rebooté.... Je suppose qu'il faut répéter les commandes à chaque session....
Merci bien d'avoir trouvé la solution.
Well I have removed Timidity from my system, if I find anything that needs timidity then hopefully by the time I find it they will have released a new version to fix this bug and I can reinstall it.

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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby grizzler » 26 Jun 2018 15:37

Ah, so it was one of the packages I mentioned... 8-)

Do you use midi? If you don't, there's very little chance you'll miss having timidity installed.
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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby san-claudio » 26 Jun 2018 15:59

Ah oui ...je n'ai pas souvenir d'avoir installé Timidity.
Lire 4.4 !!!??? <-------

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Re: Silence maybe golden but it is not what I want!!

Postby xendistar » 26 Jun 2018 16:04

grizzler wrote:
26 Jun 2018 15:37
Ah, so it was one of the packages I mentioned... 8-)

Do you use midi? If you don't, there's very little chance you'll miss having timidity installed.
I think there is a game that might use it but I am happy to go without until a updated version of Timidty comes out


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