UP 2014.10.15

[ray]

Running apt-get -f install returns:

0 upgraded 0 newly installed 0 to remove and 1257 not upgraded

presumably this means a rerun is required.

Ray

[Arjen Balfoort]

Yes, just run

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updatemanager

in a terminal.
This will give a more verbose output.

[Orbmiser]

Still didn't understand how to move var/tpm up to root? Just copy contents of var/tmp to /tmp?

No, simply do

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sudo rm /tmp
sudo mv /var/tmp /tmp
sudo mkdir -m 1777 /var/tmp

Also, I know of at least one application that expects to find its stuff in /var/tmp rather than /tmp, so if after the move mentioned above there's an item called kdecache-root in /tmp, you should do

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sudo mv -t /var/tmp /tmp/kdecache-*

Ahhh Thanks for explanation and steps!
.

[zerozero]

I tried to install gpsd, but it failed; output:

if it was me i would purge it and forget about it.
from the description

Description-en: Global Positioning System - daemon
The gpsd service daemon can monitor one or more GPS devices connected to
a host computer, making all data on the location and movements of the
sensors available to be queried on TCP port 2947.
.
With gpsd, multiple GPS client applications can share access to devices
without contention or loss of data. Also, gpsd responds to queries with a
format that is substantially easier to parse than the different standards
emitted by GPS devices.

is not something i would need.

Also, are those "excess" packages ok?

basically, yes.
those are packages/lib that at some point were installed as dependencies/recommended of other packages/libraries.
once you remove one, apt thinks that the other is superfluous and offers to autoremove it but
a) sometimes apt is not as smart as it thinks it is and the package/lib it marks to autoremove is also needed by other (unrelated) package/lib
b) sometimes the packages/lib in the autoremove list are worthwhile on its own, even after the package they depend was removed.

[Deleted User 580]

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[freecicero]

Thanks for the advice to check my sources.list -- I see I have inconsistent settings.

On a few of my machines they are:

deb http://packages.solydxk.nl/production/ solydxk main upstream import kdenext
deb http://debian.solydxk.nl/production testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.solydxk.nl/production/multimedia testing main non-free
deb http://debian.solydxk.nl/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://community.solydxk.nl/production/ solydxk main

on others (where vlc is not working) I have no kdenext listing:

deb http://packages.solydxk.nl/production/ solydxk main upstream import
deb http://debian.solydxk.nl/production testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.solydxk.nl/production/multimedia testing main non-free
deb http://debian.solydxk.nl/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://community.solydxk.nl/production/ solydxk main

Could you let me know what these should read?

Thanks!

EDIT: After reading back about the removal of the kdenext and the solydfixes.php my heart is sinking (maybe I am out of sync with package numbers and needing to downgrade) and this may be beyond my ability to fix. I presume that my computers that still have dolphin are probably pointing to kdenext and that's not good. Am I better off waiting for new isos and reinstalling?

[Gonzalo_VC]

@Gonzalo_VC
But what was the output of:

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apt-get -f install

What is the output of:

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apt-show-versions | grep upgradeable

If the first shows nothing and the second does, you need to re-initialize the cache:

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apt-show-versions -i

The first was done in the SolydX 32 netbook and installed a lot of things (I post that later, from home).
Here at work, one of my (4) SolydK 64 gave nothing in the -f install but this:

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dolphin:amd64/testing 4:4.12.4-1 upgradeable to 4:4.14.1-1
ffmpeg:amd64/testing 10:2.2.4-dmo1 upgradeable to 10:2.4.1-dmo1
libstreamanalyzer0:amd64/testing 0.7.8-1.2 upgradeable to 0.7.8-1.2+b2
libstreams0:amd64/testing 0.7.8-1.2 upgradeable to 0.7.8-1.2+b2

So I did "apt-show-versions -i" and run the UpMan again.
A recurrent problem is with the icon that always show those arrows saying there are upgradable packages available, as shown in my previous post. But UpMan says "Your system is up to date", yet.

apt-get upgrade -fix-missing gives me:

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 The following packages have been kept back:
dolphin ffmpeg libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0

[Arjen Balfoort]

There you have it.
apt (the main UM window) handles held back packages differently than apt-show-versions (the tray icon).
Try to find out why they were held back by reinstalling them.
Note that ffmpeg will need the multimedia repository listed in your sources.list

[Matt]

Hello, (-- I'm running SolydX)

Since I upgraded using the Update Manager this morning, I met several problems with my system, which used to run perfectly fine before that...

First, Thunderbird went totally South: it opened, but the main window remained desperatly empty. Nothing on screen. It froze the system and so, I had to reboot everytime I opened TB. I finally decided to reinstall TB from scratch and doing so, I lost some folders(!!!). Now, it seems to function again, but there was a cost to it!

Second, I lost printing capabilities. No more CUPS, no more network printer, no more scanner. I tried to reinstall the printer drivers, including the CUPS driver, but some files could not be found during the installation process and I am now left without any printer, scanner or anything... Don't know how to fix this.

Third, I lost volume functions... The icon is gone from the taskbar. Audiomixer won't open anymore, and so it is with PuseAudio Volume Control.

I guess some other surprises will come up while using the computer.

Is there way I can reset the system to what it used to be before that upgrade??

So, if someone could help, I would greatly appreciate. Thanks,

Matt

[Gonzalo_VC]

There you have it.
apt (the main UM window) handles held back packages differently than apt-show-versions (the tray icon).
Try to find out why they were held back by reinstalling them.
Note that ffmpeg will need the multimedia repository listed in your sources.list

But... how comes? ffmpeg is installed by some media player, not me, I'm guessing VLC that comes with the distro. In that machine I have problems with it (see some other post http://forums.solydxk.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4792). I didn't include, nor removed the repo for it. I was thinking the UpMan did that all for us automatically.

Is there a manual way to solve this in the terminal? Should I purge (again) all media-players and re-install them (VLC and Amarok)?
In some machines I got a loop and the UpMan say there are new packages, downloads and install them, but never gets satisfied. Is it the cache or what!? Some other machines have the "V" (OK) sign in the UpMan (lucky me!). The differences in packages are minimum among machines (some have the r-cran packages, some not, the rest is almost the same... mysterious hardware behavior!).

[ray]

Yes, just run

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updatemanager

in a terminal.
This will give a more verbose output.

Ran that with the following result:


Ray

[zerozero]

Ran that with the following result:

@ray
Schoelje was suggesting to run

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updatemanager 

as user, not as root (you will see that it makes a difference)

[abqnm]

@zerozero

I know you are a busy man, but did you by chance have any insight into the output of what I posted for the items you requested in my previous post?
http://forums.solydxk.com/viewtopic.php ... =60#p45949

I cleaned up my repos a bit, I removed the seemingly dead "community" repo and the duplicate google repo. Still not sure what to make of this situation, as the repos weren't the issue.


Edit: So, I fixed it. I was reading back through all the recent problems and solutions, and it was solved iwth the /var/tmp /tmp issue. I only realized this because as I was booting up this last time, I watched the task manager, and saw that in the task tree that contained PulseAudio, PulseAudio was the last thing on the list until the brightness bar went away, and then the tree expanded with many other processes, and it clicked. I checked the symlink and sure enough it was linked to /var/tmp, so I removed it, created /tmp, rebooted, and all is well again.

[zerozero]

Edit: So, I fixed it. I was reading back through all the recent problems and solutions, and it was solved iwth the /var/tmp /tmp issue. I only realized this because as I was booting up this last time, I watched the task manager, and saw that in the task tree that contained PulseAudio, PulseAudio was the last thing on the list until the brightness bar went away, and then the tree expanded with many other processes, and it clicked. I checked the symlink and sure enough it was linked to /var/tmp, so I removed it, created /tmp, rebooted, and all is well again.

ahh, timing
that was the course of action that i was going to suggest now (was just collecting the links to post back to you)
thank this one to Mr. Poettering

[rokytnji]

Moving my issue here since I am off topic at
http://forums.solydxk.nl/viewtopic.php? ... 2&start=40

there's a typo right in the beginning:
you have

wget http;

[semicolon]
should be

wget http:

[colon]

Me


Ok. User error as usual. That is the exact command readout. Thanks for the catch zz.

I Will proceed with the upgrade. I just thought maybe a package was pulled. Kinda over thinking it. I try and read
all instructions 1st before pulling any triggers.

Nope. I must be in a bad spot of the universe tonight I guess. Will wait and see. Exact readout.

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$ wget http://repository.solydxk.com/umfiles/prd-up-2014.10.15; chmod +x pre-up-2014.10.15; sudo ./pre-up-2014.10.15
--2014-10-17 18:38:56--  http://repository.solydxk.com/umfiles/prd-up-2014.10.15
Resolving repository.solydxk.com (repository.solydxk.com)... 67.205.26.168
Connecting to repository.solydxk.com (repository.solydxk.com)|67.205.26.168|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
2014-10-17 18:38:57 ERROR 404: Not Found.

chmod: cannot access ‘pre-up-2014.10.15’: No such file or directory
[sudo] password for harry:
sudo: ./pre-up-2014.10.15: command not found

Should there be a space between ":" and "//" maybe? 'll check and see.
Hmm. Just hanging up

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harry@biker:~$ wget http: //repository.solydxk.com/umfiles/prd-up-2014.10.15; chmod +x pre-up-2014.10.15; sudo ./pre-up-2014.10.15
--2014-10-17 18:43:26--  ftp://http/
           => ‘.listing’
Resolving http (http)... 198.105.244.65, 198.105.254.65
Connecting to http (http)|198.105.244.65|:21... failed: Connection timed out.
Connecting to http (http)|198.105.254.65|:21... failed: Connection timed out.
Retrying.

--2014-10-17 18:47:41--  ftp://http/
  (try: 2) => ‘.listing’
Connecting to http (http)|198.105.244.65|:21...
 

One confused scooter tramp here on a friday night.
Maybe a server is down now since I get a 404 in original readout. I know putting a space did not improve anything.

[zerozero]

Nope. I must be in a bad spot of the universe tonight I guess. Will wait and see. Exact readout.

so we share the same spot of the universe

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zerozero@home ~ $ wget http://repository.solydxk.com/umfiles/prd-up-2014.10.15
--2014-10-18 01:22:15--  http://repository.solydxk.com/umfiles/prd-up-2014.10.15   
Resolving repository.solydxk.com (repository.solydxk.com)... 67.205.26.168       
Connecting to repository.solydxk.com (repository.solydxk.com)|67.205.26.168|:80... connected.  
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found    
2014-10-18 01:22:16 ERROR 404: Not Found.   

server issue.

[abqnm]

ahh, timing
that was the course of action that i was going to suggest now (was just collecting the links to post back to you)
thank this one to Mr. Poettering

Thanks for the help either way.

[ray]

Ran that with the following result:

@ray
Schoelje was suggesting to run

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updatemanager 

as user, not as root (you will see that it makes a difference)

Ran updatemanager as user with the following result:



Ray

[Arjen Balfoort]

In UM's info page it says:

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wget http://repository.solydxk.com/umfiles/prd/pre-up-2014.10.15

not:

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wget http://repository.solydxk.com/umfiles/prd-up-2014.10.15

@ray
If you started the upgrade before and had to break off the process, it's better to run the pre-up script manually firstL

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wget http://repository.solydxk.com/umfiles/prd/pre-up-2014.10.15; chmod +x pre-up-2014.10.15; sudo ./pre-up-2014.10.15

After that you can hit "install" in the update manager.

[TeaSwigger]

if it was me i would purge it and forget about it.

Also, are those "excess" packages ok?

basically, yes.
those are packages/lib that at some point were installed as dependencies/recommended of other packages/libraries.
once you remove one, apt thinks that the other is superfluous and offers to autoremove it but
a) sometimes apt is not as smart as it thinks it is and the package/lib it marks to autoremove is also needed by other (unrelated) package/lib
b) sometimes the packages/lib in the autoremove list are worthwhile on its own, even after the package they depend was removed.

Thanks, zerozero! Yes I can leave that gpsd thing go. Thinking of possible upgrade complications down the road though, should I do anything about those autoremove items?

Now the only thing I've found amiss is that system sounds suddenly don't work; it makes a nasty crackly noise and says the device isn't working - yet audio and video media are playing correctly. I've tried setting the system to use a different device (in system settings > multimedia), but same result. Weird eh?

System seems to be working fine otherwise though.