[Talk] Home Edition security updates

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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby grizzler » 15 Nov 2014 14:57

That's good to know. Here's hoping that goes for all types of nvidia cards...
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby just » 15 Nov 2014 15:00

judging from inxi's output above, your's is a pure nvidia card. the system has only one gpu. not two, as in case with nvidia-optimus. so, the pure nvidia works fine. good.

the problem emerged earlier was strictly related not to nvidia gpu itself, but to the mechanism, that switches the graphical subsystem from one gpu to another (from intel to nvidia) on nvidia-optimus computers.

even now i still remain not fully convinced by the previous tests negative exit. mainly because of a partial-only system upgrade. though complex and delicate, intel-to-nvidia switching (bumblebee) is a rock-solid thing. it should - as it always did! - survive any and all full system upgrades without a hitch.

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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby grizzler » 15 Nov 2014 15:08

This time the new nvidia drivers weren't involved. Maybe that made the difference? Just guessing...
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby just » 16 Nov 2014 06:38

some good news here - the day starts well for nvidia-optimus.

bumblebee-nvidia, updated from jessie, lovely continues to run on kernel, updated from jessie.

1. repos = solydxk-default + jessie

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just@alexsok ~ $ inxi -r
Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
           deb http://home.solydxk.com/production solydxk main upstream import
           deb http://debian.solydxk.com/production testing main contrib non-free
           deb http://debian.solydxk.com/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
           deb http://community.solydxk.com/production solydxk main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jessie.list
           deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
just@alexsok ~ $ 
2. ddm (Schoelje's popup) = ok, with updated driver

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Drivers tab
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Hardware: NVIDIA Corporation GF [GeForce GT 555M]
Driver: Installed: bumblebee-nvidia (3.2.1-7)
3. inxi running on intel = ok

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just@alexsok ~ $ inxi -Gxx
Graphics:  Card-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller
           bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0126
           Card-2: NVIDIA GF106M [GeForce GT 555M] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0dcd
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.1 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1920x1080@60.01hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 10.2.6 Direct Rendering: Yes
just@alexsok ~ $ 
4. inxi running on nvidia = ok

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just@alexsok ~ $ optirun inxi -Gxx
Graphics:  Card-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller
           bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0126
           Card-2: NVIDIA GF106M [GeForce GT 555M] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0dcd
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.1 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1920x1080@60.01hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GT 555M/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 4.4.0 NVIDIA 340.32 Direct Rendering: Yes
just@alexsok ~ $ 
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby grizzler » 16 Nov 2014 11:03

just wrote:... bumblebee-nvidia (3.2.1-7)...
4. inxi running on nvidia = ok
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GLX Renderer: GeForce GT 555M/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 4.4.0 NVIDIA 340.32 Direct Rendering: Yes
New bumblebee (3.2.1-7), old nvidia driver (340.32).
Still looks like the new nvidia drivers (340.46) were the issue during the earlier tests.
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby just » 16 Nov 2014 12:28

grizzler wrote:
...New bumblebee (3.2.1-7), old nvidia driver (340.32)...
exactly. that is the point.

for nvidia-optimus the driver is bumblebee-nvidia package. not the nvidia-driver one. the latter must be never installed directly on nvidia-optimus. this is the thing i didn't remember of during the test race.

this is reason why SolydXK's DDM looks for bumblebee-nvidia as nvidia driver, in a generic sense.

bumblebee-nvidia does NOT strictly follow the newest nvidia drivers releases. it happened, and continues to happen, that it skips some recent pure nvidia's release. bumblebee-nvidia itself may be updated, but it will pull-in its backend - the underlying driver that works directly on nvidia gpu - only when the latter is ready for optimus, from bumblebee's point of view. no manual pure nvidia drivers is required on optimus. they are silently installed by bumblebee frontend.

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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby Snap » 01 Dec 2014 06:54

Hey, Grizzler. Any news about the kernel and Nvidia drivers? I still keep it on hold. It's not I'm in a hurry to upgrade the kernel. The one I use just works fine, so who cares. But I'm curious about the problem.
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby grizzler » 01 Dec 2014 07:14

Nothing new, I'm afraid. I have no way to test this myself and the only tests done by others are reported in this thread. However, the update didn't trigger any messages about serious problems, which seems to suggest the old/current drivers and new kernel work well enough together.
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby Snap » 01 Dec 2014 07:46

Hmmm... I always had issues with the drivers every single UP. I got the wrong ones installed and had to install them manually. So I don't trust this kernel update might be smooth for my particular rig... I'll better wait. My system works fine... If ain't broke don't try to fix it. :mrgreen:
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby grizzler » 13 Dec 2014 14:00

Kernel update time again...

Debian Security Advisory: https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-3093
Package Tracking System: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux.html

The Package Tracker says it's still in Sid, but I saw it arrive on my machine (tracking Testing) this morning, so...

The usual: anyone care to test this before I upload it to the security repository? There were no problems on the main machine (intel graphics), the old laptop (amd) or in the VMs.
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby Snap » 13 Dec 2014 14:15

It should be tested on metal. In VMs I've never had a problem, but lately adding a new kernel into my main system always removes the drivers and installs wrong ones forcing me to reinstall them manually from a tty. I know mine is an exceptional case related with my specific GPU, but in my experience testing this in VMs is not very useful since the drivers in the host play a crucial role for the guests.
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby fleabus » 13 Dec 2014 14:19

grizzler wrote:Kernel update time again...
Sorry Frank, I know I said I'd help with testing. I'm headed out right now for... You guessed it... Shopping! Holidays eating me up. <growl>

Peace on earth but no good will toward other shoppers. :lol:

When I get in this evening I'll test on metal....

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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby MAYBL8 » 13 Dec 2014 14:22

If this is it I updated this morning (Tracking Testing).
All working fine here.
What do you need to know from me?

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dcihon@solydxk ~ $ uname -a
Linux solydxk 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt2-1 (2014-12-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux


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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby belze » 13 Dec 2014 14:27

same here. What info/log file should i post?
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby grizzler » 13 Dec 2014 14:38

All I need to know is it's not causing any problems, particularly on systems with nvidia graphics and still on the last update pack (2014.10.15). For nvidia machines, that would mean the 'old' drivers still work.
That's always the main problem: does a kernel update force us to push updates for the nvidia drivers as well and are we sure that doesn't break anything else...
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby belze » 13 Dec 2014 14:47

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inxi -Fxx
System:    Host: thingol Kernel: 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 4.8.3) 
           Desktop: KDE 4.14.2 (Qt 4.8.6) dm: lightdm Distro: SolydXK 1 solydxk                                                                                             
Machine:   Mobo: ASUSTeK model: K53SV v: 1.0 Bios: American Megatrends v: K53SV.308 date: 07/17/2011                                                                        
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-2630QM (-HT-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB                                                                                                         
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 15964                                                                                                
           Clock Speeds: 1: 802 MHz 2: 1097 MHz 3: 1301 MHz 4: 838 MHz 5: 1266 MHz 6: 800 MHz 7: 800 MHz                                                                    
           8: 801 MHz                                                                                                                                                       
Graphics:  Card-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller                                                                                
           bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0116                                                                                                                               
           Card-2: NVIDIA GF108M [GeForce GT 540M] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0df4                                                                                       
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.1.901 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1366x768@60.00hz                                                              
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 10.3.2 Direct Rendering: Yes                                                               
Audio:     Card Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio Controller                                                                                          
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:1c20                                                                                                         
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.16.0-4-amd64                                                                                                      
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller                                                                                        
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: a000 bus-ID: 04:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168                                                                                        
           IF: eth1 state: down mac: 14:da:e9:35:de:ec                                                                                                                      
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           driver: ath9k bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 168c:002b                                                                                                                 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 74:2f:68:43:9a:52                                                                                                                       
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           ID-1: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD7500BPVT size: 750.2GB serial: WD-WX71A6167601                                                                                       
           ID-2: /dev/sda model: Samsung_SSD_840 size: 250.1GB serial: S1DBNSBF887850B                                                                                      
Partition: ID-1: / size: 60G used: 13G (22%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5                                                                                                        
           ID-2: /home size: 27G used: 14G (53%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6                                                                                                    
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 2.15GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdb5                                                                                              
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Info:      Processes: 257 Uptime: 9 min Memory: 1461.3/7914.0MB                                                                                                             
           Init: systemd v: 215 runlevel: 5 default: 2 Gcc sys: 4.9.1 alt: 4.6/4.7/4.8                                                                                      
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby MAYBL8 » 13 Dec 2014 14:47

Well I can't help you there completely.
I am on Debian Testing but do have a Nvidia Card.

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dcihon@solydxk ~ $ inxi -Gxx
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA G84 [GeForce 8600 GT] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0402
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.1.901 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz, 1280x1024@60.02hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce 8600 GT/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 340.46 Direct Rendering: Yes

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dcihon@solydxk ~ $ inxi -r
Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
           deb http://repository.solydxk.com/ solydxk main upstream import
           deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free
           deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
           deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free


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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby belze » 13 Dec 2014 14:50

with my config optirun seems to run ok
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby grizzler » 13 Dec 2014 14:56

Thanks guys. It's looking good so far. I think I'll upload this update some time tomorrow, unless anyone reports serious issues.
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Re: [Talk] Home Edition security updates

Postby fleabus » 13 Dec 2014 23:59

This was installed on 25Nov14, from the solydk64_201411.iso dated 17Nov14.
When I got home this afternoon I upgraded it to Testing using the following sources:

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Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
           deb http://packages.solydxk.com/testing/ solydxk main upstream import
           deb http://community.solydxk.com/testing/ solydxk main
           deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
           deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
Now I have this:

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fleabus@dv7-1270us ~ $ uname -a
Linux dv7-1270us 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt2-1 (2014-12-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
fleabus@dv7-1270us ~ $ inxi -MSGxxx
System:    Host: dv7-1270us Kernel: 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 4.8.3) 
           Desktop: KDE 4.14.2 (Qt 4.8.6) info: plasma-desktop dm: lightdm Distro: SolydXK 1 solydxk 
Machine:   System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC v: F.2D Chassis: Compal type: 10
           Mobo: Compal model: 30F4 v: 99.B6 Bios: Hewlett-Packard v: F.2D date: 11/29/2010
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA G96M [GeForce 9600M GT] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0649
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.1.901 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce 9600M GT/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 340.46 Direct Rendering: Yes
fleabus@dv7-1270us ~ $ 
The next one is a bit different.
SolydX64, installed on 24Nov14, from the solydx64_201411.iso dated 17Nov14.
It remains a production install running standard repos:

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fleabus@dv7-1270us ~ $ inxi -r
Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
           deb http://home.solydxk.com/production solydxk main upstream import
           deb http://debian.solydxk.com/production testing main contrib non-free
           deb http://debian.solydxk.com/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
           deb http://community.solydxk.com/production solydxk main
I temporarily enabled Testing to get the kernel update.
It's working fine with the (slightly) older production version nvidia driver:

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fleabus@dv7-1270us ~ $ uname -a
Linux dv7-1270us 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt2-1 (2014-12-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
fleabus@dv7-1270us ~ $ inxi -SGMxxx
System:    Host: dv7-1270us Kernel: 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 4.8.3) 
           Desktop: N/A info: xfce4-panel dm: lightdm Distro: SolydXK 1 solydxk 
Machine:   System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP Pavilion dv7 Notebook PC v: F.2D Chassis: Compal type: 10
           Mobo: Compal model: 30F4 v: 99.B6 Bios: Hewlett-Packard v: F.2D date: 11/29/2010
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA G96M [GeForce 9600M GT] bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0649
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.1 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce 9600M GT/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 340.32 Direct Rendering: Yes
Everything is ok so far. I'll yell if there's a problem...


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