SolydK9 32-bit slow

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eikko
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SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby eikko » 05 Oct 2017 17:00

Sorry, I installed a 32-bit SolydK9 on my older Notebook with SSD.

But its so slow!

Boot and start Firefox:

SolydK8 --> 30 sec.
SolydK9 --> 2,5 Min.

Youtube-Videos not possible to play.

What can i do to fix this Problem?
Or is the only Solution to go back to SolydK8?

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby ilu » 05 Oct 2017 19:01

I don't know how old your notebook is but a newer Linux kernel incorporates support for newer hardware and new features. Both can make it slower on older hardware. The support for the most oldest hardware will even be dropped eventually. For older hardware either go for a less demanding desktop (SolydX) or stay with your jessie system.

That aside I remember grizzler writing he had problems with bootup times on SolydK community editions.

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby speartip » 06 Oct 2017 09:39

Giving us the specs of your notebook might help, particularly the graphics card.
Granted the boot up time isn't the quickest, mine is about 20s, but once on the desktop I have to say that Solyxk 9 is possibly one of the fastest OSs I've ever used, & my desktop is 6 years old with only an i3 processor, & integrated graphics.

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby eikko » 08 Oct 2017 06:19

The Notebook is a Compaq nc6230

Prozessor Intel Core Duo Prozessor T2300 (1,66 GHz)
Chipsatz Intel 945GM
RAM inst. / max. 512 / 4.096 MByte DDR2 667 MHz
Grafik Intel 945GM
Display 15,0 Zoll TFT, 1024 x 768 Pixel
HDD SSD

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby speartip » 08 Oct 2017 12:43

I think your Notebook is a bit old to be running any modern operating system. Particularly KDE. You might get more mileage from SolydX.
Failing that I would try something like Lubuntu.
http://lubuntu.net

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby ilu » 08 Oct 2017 15:52

After being used to KDE you sure won't like Lubuntu. LMDE is a spartan GUI covering only the bare necessities but ressource use doesn't differ much from XFCE, which is much more comfortable. Either take SolydX or go back to SolydK8.

And I wouldn't recommend anything named 'buntu. There's a reason we follow debian and not 'buntu repositories. We stick to the community and try to avoid commercial interests as much as possible.

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby speartip » 08 Oct 2017 16:38

Do I detect a slight hint of buntuphobia there ilu.
Nothing wrong with testing out other flavours. And Xubuntu & Lubuntu are excellent distros.
Pure Debian xfce & lxde are good, but hard work to set up properly. Hence the Lubuntu suggestion.

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby ilu » 08 Oct 2017 21:35

I wouldn't call it buntuphobia but healthy distrust. Anyway, he doesn't need to setup pure debian with XFCE or LMDE because we have ready-made SolydX. If SolydK8 worked for him Lubuntu has absolutely no advantage. Deliberately trying other distros is certainly fun but not if you just want to get your familiar system back in working order.

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby eikko » 19 Oct 2017 06:40

No other Solutions for my Problem?

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby kurotsugi » 19 Oct 2017 07:46

please show us the result of

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inxi -Fxxx
systemd-analyze blame
systemd-analyze critical chain
as a first step you could disable samba related stuffs from system service list.

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby ilu » 19 Oct 2017 21:35

kurotsugi forgot a little something - the third command should be "systemd-analyze critical-chain" .

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systemd-analyze blame
          9.057s solydxk-system-adjust.service ...
I have no complaints but what's it doing there this long ...

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby kurotsugi » 20 Oct 2017 00:04

the services are executed in parallel so as long it's not hindering other services you can ignore it. that's why we also need to look into critical-chain result. solydxk system adjustment do lot of things so it's normal if it took several seconds to finish.

though, you can disable it if you really wish.

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby ilu » 20 Oct 2017 00:38

kurotsugi wrote:though, you can disable it if you really wish.
No no, I just had a look at the commands out of interest.

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby eikko » 20 Oct 2017 15:24

inxi -Fxxx:

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System:    Host: klappi Kernel: 4.9.0-4-686 i686 (32 bit gcc: 6.3.0)
           Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.8.6 (Qt 5.7.1) dm: lightdm Distro: SolydXK
Machine:   Device: laptop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP Compaq nc6320 (ES473EA#ABD) v: F.08
           Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 30AA v: KBC Version 58.11
           BIOS: Hewlett-Packard v: 68YDU Ver. F.08 date: 07/27/2006
           Chassis: type: 10
Battery    C1B5: charge: 39.3 Wh 95.3% condition: 41.3/41.3 Wh (100%) volts: 12.3/10.8
           model: Hewlett-Packard Primary Li-ion serial: 04101 2015/04/09 status: N/A cycles: 0                                                                                     
CPU:       Single core Intel T1300 (-UP-) cache: 2048 KB                                  
           flags: (nx pae sse sse2 sse3 vmx) bmips: 3325 speed: 1662 MHz (max)            
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller 
           bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:27a2                                             
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.2 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa) 
           Resolution: 1024x768@60.00hz                                                   
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GM x86/MMX/SSE2                                
           GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.6 Direct Rendering: Yes                             
Audio:     Card Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller                   
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:27d8                       
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.9.0-4-686
Network:   Card-1: Broadcom Limited NetXtreme BCM5788 Gigabit Ethernet
           driver: tg3 v: 3.137 bus-ID: 02:0e.0 chip-ID: 14e4:169c
           IF: enp2s14 state: down mac: 00:17:08:32:07:d0
           Card-2: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection
           driver: iwl3945 v: in-tree:s bus-ID: 08:00.0 chip-ID: 8086:4222
           IF: wlp8s0 state: up mac: 00:13:02:b5:82:b2
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 80.0GB (38.4% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: INTEL_SSDSC2BW08 size: 80.0GB
           serial: BTDA346305670806GN
Partition: ID-1: / size: 15G used: 6.3G (47%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
           ID-2: /home size: 55G used: 19G (36%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 4.30GB used: 0.20GB (5%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda3
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 50.0C mobo: 47.0C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 163 Uptime: 3 min Memory: 761.9/996.7MB
           Init: systemd v: 232 runlevel: 5 default: 2 Gcc sys: 6.3.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.4.121 running in konsole) inxi: 2.3.5 
systemd-analyze blame:

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19.952s solydxk-system-adjust.service
          8.360s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
          3.920s exim4.service
          2.018s dev-sda1.device
          1.789s ModemManager.service
          1.700s networking.service
          1.276s keyboard-setup.service
          1.141s timidity.service
          1.137s accounts-daemon.service
          1.118s loadcpufreq.service
          1.072s systemd-logind.service
           919ms gdomap.service
           839ms upower.service
           829ms smbd.service
           720ms lightdm.service
           690ms lm-sensors.service
           677ms systemd-udev-trigger.service
           662ms bluetooth.service
           643ms avahi-daemon.service
           640ms clamav-daemon.service

systemd-analyze critical chain

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Unknown operation 'critical'.
I think the System is now a little faster,
can one of the last Updates make a different?

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby ilu » 20 Oct 2017 16:33

As I said, its "systemd-analyze critical-chain". Kurotsugis command had a typo. Try again, so he can have a look tonight.

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby eikko » 25 Oct 2017 15:30

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The time after the unit is active or started is printed after the "@" character.
The time the unit takes to start is printed after the "+" character.

graphical.target @30.430s
└─multi-user.target @30.430s
  └─exim4.service @12.362s +2.776s
    └─network-online.target @12.304s
      └─NetworkManager-wait-online.service @4.067s +8.236s
        └─NetworkManager.service @3.246s +789ms
          └─dbus.service @3.041s
            └─basic.target @3.020s
              └─paths.target @3.020s
                └─acpid.path @3.020s
                  └─sysinit.target @3.008s
                    └─sys-fs-fuse-connections.mount @7.885s +27ms
                      └─systemd-modules-load.service @288ms +246ms
                        └─system.slice @249ms
                          └─-.slice @213ms
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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby kurotsugi » 26 Oct 2017 00:14

30 second to reach graphical target is normal. things that slowing down your system is network manager as usual.

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby BillZM » 29 Oct 2017 04:58

I'm wondering about the same issue for SolydX. SolydX 8 32-bit pae runs fairly well on my HP mini 110-1050nr (Atom N270 processor, 2GB RAM). SolydX 9 32-bit, live USB session, feels sluggish by comparison, even to SolydX 8 live USB.

Is it possible to install SolydX 9, but restore the older kernel? Or should I just keep updating SolydX 8?

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby ilu » 29 Oct 2017 14:10

BillZM wrote:Is it possible to install SolydX 9, but restore the older kernel? Or should I just keep updating SolydX 8?
I would keep updating SolydX8. You are good for another 6 month. After that you can't be sure about security updates but that shouldn't concern you too much since yours is not a server and most probably not a device your life depends on and a certain risk can be taken. Just remember that a lot of hospitals still run WinXP ...
Looking at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch ... 04.html.en a 1 GHz Pentium 4 with 1 GB RAM should be enough. Your Atom is not much better. These recommendatins were the same for jessie though, so your experience sounds reasonable.

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Re: SolydK9 32-bit slow

Postby BillZM » 29 Oct 2017 18:40

"I would keep updating SolydX8."

Thanks. I guess I'll do that but keep the SolydX 9 32-bit ISO's handy for attempting the next chapter on the Atom netbook.
The SolydX 9 live USB seems to work really well on my HP laptops of the same 2008-2010 vintage (HP 6730b and HP dm3-3011nr).

I do wish I had the last 32-bit ISO for SolydX (201701?). Is that still available? (I'm still updating, successfully it seems, from 201506).


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