Device Driver Manager (DDM) - help needed [upd:20-10-15]

[twnaing]

I installed

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nvidia-detect_319.17-1 (from Debian experimental)
ddm_0.7.5 

and ddm still giving me the same error.

Intel driver I have is

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xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.19.0-6

[zerozero]

twnaing
installing nvidia-detect won't do any good (or any bad either), as we saw here >> http://forums.solydxk.nl/viewtopic.php? ... t=60#p7510 you have switchable graphics (intel + ati/amd)

this new version of ddm sees both cards

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06-06-2013 03:24:13 ati.getATI                    INFO      Intel card found: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
06-06-2013 03:24:13 drivers.DriverGet             DEBUG     Initialize DriverGet
06-06-2013 03:24:14 drivers.DriverGet             DEBUG     Initialize DriverGet
06-06-2013 03:24:14 ati.getATI                    INFO      ATI card found: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mars [Radeon HD 8730M]

also according to ddm you have

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06-06-2013 03:24:15 drivers.getPackageStatus      DEBUG     Package not installed: fglrx-driver
06-06-2013 03:24:16 ati.getATI                    INFO      ATI driver found: fglrx-driver (notinstalled)
06-06-2013 03:24:16 intel.getIntel                INFO      Intel driver found: xserver-xorg-video-intel (installed)

we can double-check this if you give us the output of

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inxi -Gx

question i can't answer is why ddm now lists

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06-06-2013 03:24:27 self.treeview.fillTreeview    DEBUG     Add data to list store: liststore.append([False, "fglrx-driver", "1:12-6+point-1", "ATI display driver (recommended)", "ati", 400, 10000])

according to what you wrote

4. device driver manager now shows driver for my ATI/AMDI HD 8730M (installation went ok, didn't work after the reboot)

it doesn't work in this kind of setup but specially this was not the recommended driver before.
from here i leave to Schoelje

[Arjen Balfoort]

This will be very hard to solve.
Unfortunately I'm not the happy owner of such a intel/amd card. So, I'll be coding blind, without the possibility of testing what I've done. I don't even know if installing the AMD drivers alongside the Intel drivers would work: How do you let X know which driver to use? It would mean changing the xorg.conf file.

Currently, DDM only lists one graphics card, even if you have more. I could try to list Intel when AMD is found and there is an Intel card present (are there any Nvidia/Intel cards, or is it only AMD/Intel?). To prevent breakage of the system, only one can be selected for the above mentioned reason.

However, I don't know if the AMD driver will function for those kind of cards. Again, I have no way of testing this.

@twnaing:
Could you please post the output of:

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lspci -nn | grep VGA

[zerozero]

(are there any Nvidia/Intel cards, or is it only AMD/Intel?)

the most common dual-gpu cards

• nvidia/intel > optimus technology
• amd/intel > switchable

just an idea:
in situations where ddm finds dual-gpu, it could display a "warning" saying that in that configuration the drivers installation is not supported by ddm (or some better wording than this)

[MAYBL8]

I don't know much about this but, How to other linux distributions handle these dual video cards?

[cwwgateway]

I don't know much about this but, How to other linux distributions handle these dual video cards?

I can't speak for Intel/ATI, but with Intel/Nvidia (Optimus) they generally do nothing. I have yet to use a distribution that automatically configures bumblebee for me (Mint doesn't, Ubuntu doesn't, Debian doesn't, etc). They just default to the Intel graphics card (but both are on at the same time, so it uses quite a bit of power and my laptop can get quite hot).

For NVIDIA/Intel cards, the solution is basically to run sudo apt-get install bumblebee bumblebee-nvidia primus and then to run sudo adduser USER bumblebee (this doesn't work yet, but it will for the next UP, which should finish synchronizing today).

[twnaing]

@zerozero, following is the output `inxi -Gx`

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Graphics:  Card-1 Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Mars [Radeon HD 8730M] X.Org 1.12.4 Res: 1366x768@60.0hz 
           GLX Renderer Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile  GLX Version 3.0 Mesa 8.0.5 Direct Rendering Yes

it doesn't work in this kind of setup but specially this was not the recommended driver before.

I was not after the solution for switchable graphics. I'll be happy with DDM correctly knowing Intel.

@Schoelje, following is the output of `lscpi -nn | grep VGA`

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00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0166] (rev 09)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mars [Radeon HD 8730M] [1002:6601]

To prevent breakage of the system, only one can be selected for the above mentioned reason.

I think it is the way sgfxi is doing. (I do not know the underlying working mechanism of DDM).

[zerozero]

I was not after the solution for switchable graphics. I'll be happy with DDM correctly knowing Intel.

until now ddm installed intel as you can see in the last line of the inxi output

GLX Renderer Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile GLX Version 3.0 Mesa 8.0.5 Direct Rendering Yes

what is strange (and is what brings you here) is that something changed lately and the recommended driver is now fglrx.
maybe something similar to what happened with nvidia in the transition to jessie.

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For NVIDIA/Intel cards, the solution is basically to run sudo apt-get install bumblebee bumblebee-nvidia primus and then to run sudo adduser USER bumblebee (this doesn't work yet, but it will for the next UP, which should finish synchronizing today).

from july's UP on it could even work in ddm

[Arjen Balfoort]

The first problem with these hybrid cards is that DDM should list both chipsets as recommended (DDM is built to just recommend one). The second is that the Nvidia/intel hybrid needs these extra packages. This would mean a major update on DDM.

I suppose the Nvidia/intel cards need the Nvidia driver (nvidia-glx), AND the Intel driver, AND the bumblebee stuff.
Is that correct?

[zerozero]

as cww said above, the optimus cards (and bumblebee) work with

For NVIDIA/Intel cards, the solution is basically to run sudo apt-get install bumblebee bumblebee-nvidia primus and then to run sudo adduser USER bumblebee

bumblebee is a funny beast (cww will correct me if i'm wrong here, because i don't own one of those thingies ) it installs the nvidia driver (hence the install bumblebee-nvidia) so that it can defaults to intel in normal usage and only load nvidia when explicitly called with optirun <app>
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so (for someone that knows zero of coding )
if
lspci -nn | grep VGA
card 1 intel
card 2 nvidia
then
bumblebee option
looks so easy

[Arjen Balfoort]

if
lspci -nn | grep VGA
card 1 intel
card 2 nvidia
then
bumblebee option
looks so easy

You're hired!

[cwwgateway]

I suppose the Nvidia/intel cards need the Nvidia driver (nvidia-glx), AND the Intel driver, AND the bumblebee stuff.
Is that correct?

Yes. I'm not sure what packages make up the intel driver (they're already installed), but to install the nvidia driver and bumblebee you install the packages bumblebee, primus, and bumblebee-nvidia (bumblebee-nvidia depends on the nvidia drivers).

so (for someone that knows zero of coding )
if
lspci -nn | grep VGA
card 1 intel
card 2 nvidia
then
bumblebee option
looks so easy

This works for me I think:

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christopher@chris-laptop:~/Downloads$ lspci -nn | grep VGA
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0126] (rev 09)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF108M [GeForce GT 540M] [10de:0df4] (rev ff)

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sudo apt-get install -y bumblebee bumblebee-nvidia primus
sudo adduser bumblebee christopher

In fact, bumblebee-nvidia depends on bumblebee so you really only need to install bumblebee-nvidia and primus

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bumblebee is a funny beast (cww will correct me if i'm wrong here, because i don't own one of those thingies ) it installs the nvidia driver (hence the install bumblebee-nvidia) so that it can defaults to intel in normal usage and only load nvidia when explicitly called with optirun <app>

This is also how optimus works on windows (you have to left click something, go to "run with graphics processor" and choose nvidia). The bigger benefit of bumblebee is it saves power because both don't run at the same time unless explicitly told to do so. On a machine without bumblebee, both cards are always on, but you can only use the intel one. If you have bumblebee, then the NVIDIA card is off unless explicitly told to be on. Even when both are on with bumblebee, the computer temperature is much lower than without bumblebee.

[Arjen Balfoort]

Great, cww, that'll get me started, but it's going to take a while before we can start testing...a bit busy with other things.

[cwwgateway]

Great, cww, that'll get me started, but it's going to take a while before we can start testing...a bit busy with other things.

Looking forward to it . I don't think there are any other distros (at least that I have tried/seen/read about) that can automatically set up bumblebee. Would be really cool if we could

[Arjen Balfoort]

@cww
Could you send me these files:
/var/log/Xorg.0.log
/var/log/Xorg.1.log

I need to know how the primus driver is loaded.

[zerozero]

but it's going to take a while before we can start testing

I need to know how the primus driver is loaded.

you're hopeless

[cwwgateway]

Sorry for keeping you waiting Was playing with Arch.

Didn't thoroughly examine the files, but I couldn't find any mention of primus.

Just a note: bumblebee does not require a configured xorg.conf file (so don't run nvidia-xconfig or things will break). I don't know if ddm runs this for normal NVIDIA driver setup.

[Arjen Balfoort]

Why did I say primus? I meant bumblebee of course
The reason I ask is, I suspect it simply loads intel or nvidia, but I need to be sure.

[Arjen Balfoort]

@cww
Unfortunately, you had the Intel drivers loaded.
I'm looking in the xorg log files for a line with these words: "Depth" and "framebuffer".
The line in your log files indicate it's Intel: intel(0)

Could you switch to ATI, reboot, and send me the log files again?

[cwwgateway]

@cww
Unfortunately, you had the Intel drivers loaded.
I'm looking in the xorg log files for a line with these words: "Depth" and "framebuffer".
The line in your log files indicate it's Intel: intel(0)

Could you switch to ATI, reboot, and send me the log files again?

The intel drivers are always loaded. The intel graphics card is used to display everything except the program specifically displayed using the nvidia drivers.

I can run a program with the nvidia drivers, but after reboot these lines still have intel(0). I'm not completely sure what you mean by "switch" (beyond running an application using primusrun).